Got an Infraction? Want to complain?

[LiNuX]

If you received an infraction and you believe it was wrongly given, please contact the staff member that gave you the admin BY PM or any other private way and settle it that way.

From this point on, if anyone decides to take it public by showing everyone that they got an infraction and thinks that they can raise an alarm, he/she will be infracted for arguing with an executive Decision.

This infraction lasts 90 days and is worth 3 points.

Posting publicly about your infraction only puts a negative image on your head, it shows that you broke the rules and it tells the rest of our staff to keep an eye on your posts to make sure that you aren't breaking them.

PMing me for another staff member's infraction will also result in the new infraction.

Why are we doing this?

Because it is extremely annoying to have people complain about disciplinary actions taken for breaking forum rules. The job of our moderators is to make sure that this place is a friendly forum and they are to make sure that everyone is treated fairly on this forum. Acting like you are the only person to get an infraction does nothing, nothing at all.

If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask here. Please note that all mod decisions are final. Reversals are only granted for wrongful infractions.

~LiNuX

[Exodyus]

So, if you [User] believe that you have been given a wrongful infraction by a member of the moderating staff and you [Admin] tell us to PM you.

And then tell Me in another thread that you've ignored my PM, because of the infraction ...

What example does that set to not give me a fair trial?

Just a simple question.

[LiNuX]

So, if you [User] believe that you have been given a wrongful infraction by a member of the moderating staff and you [Admin] tell us to PM you.

And then tell Me in another thread that you've ignored my PM, because of the infraction ...

What example does that set to not give me a fair trial?

Just a simple question.

the reason I ignored your PM is because you publicly posted the same thing in jacob's thread

this thread/rule came up after your post as well - most of the mods have agreed on this plan to keep crying to a minimum.

And I said, to PM the mod that gave you the infraction - the PM to me should be a last resort if you can't get anything done between the mod and yourself.

[Exodyus]

the reason I ignored your PM is because you publicly posted the same thing in jacob's thread

this thread/rule came up after your post as well - most of the mods have agreed on this plan to keep crying to a minimum.

And I said, to PM the mod that gave you the infraction - the PM to me should be a last resort if you can't get anything done between the mod and yourself.

Understood, but in the obvious circumstance of this case - the Moderator is bias and unruly with me and has given me two prior infractions that you, yourself denied him of and revoked.

Thank you for answering my PM's.
I'm done.

[LiNuX]

Understood, but in the obvious circumstance of this case - the Moderator is bias and unruly with me and has given me two prior infractions that you, yourself denied him of and revoked.

Thank you for answering my PM's.
I'm done.

I understand how you feel, but if I reverse his infraction, I'll just end up replacing him with my own - it's so much easier to keep his there since it had the same cause.

Thank you for your cooperation and maturity about this.

[GrandMoff]

I received an infraction for "Double Posting." Merely, I posted one thing. Minutes later, after reading more into the thread, I noticed something else to discuss, nothing more than a few sentences. Rather that editing it, I simply added another post. My "Double Post" infraction lacks intent. It was not my intent to "Double Post." The two posts I put up were completely irrelevant to another, and were in no way shape or form an attempt to flood the thread. Simply, I found something else to discuss. Had someone posted something within the 10 minutes or so that lapsed between when I posted my first post and my second, this obviously would not be a problem. But the mere fact that a simple two posts of mine are near another that have NOTHING to do with another makes it an INFRACTION? I am sorry, but I feel that I was wrongly given an infraction. Maybe, what I did was not courteous, but it sure was no infraction.

As for appealing it, I am to appeal it to the very person who gave me an infraction? I am sorry, but I will tell you off the bat that is flawed and biased. Rather, a third party who was not involved, like a separate board, should review the circumstance and decide. I am a serving member on my college's Judicial Board, and I will tell you that what is going on here is biased and ineffective. A separate board should review appeals after deciding whether or not there is any substantial fact an infraction was not committed. Private messaging the person who gave you the infraction is not appealing, it is just complaining. Things need to be fixed, maybe the institution of an Appeals Board is the solution. As of now, this is unjust.

[LemonRising]

As for appealing it, I am to appeal it to the very person who gave me an infraction? I am sorry, but I will tell you off the bat that is flawed and biased. Rather, a third party who was not involved, like a separate board, should review the circumstance and decide. I am a serving member on my college's Judicial Board, and I will tell you that what is going on here is biased and ineffective. A separate board should review appeals after deciding whether or not there is any substantial fact an infraction was not committed. Private messaging the person who gave you the infraction is not appealing, it is just complaining. Things need to be fixed, maybe the institution of an Appeals Board is the solution. As of now, this is unjust.

Agreed that is seems odd to appeal to the person who gave you the infraction.
They made the decision to give the infraction, and for a lot of people, that means it's dealt with.
My point
Arguing with walls is pointless.

[LiNuX]

the idea of talking to the person that gave you the infraction is just the first step. When the DOB gives you a ticket, you have to go to the DOB office to fight it, it's basically the same thing here. And when you can't resolve anything with the DOB OR the staff member here, you appeal to the courts (me). Departments like the DOB allow you to explain yourself and clear your name, the idea is the same here. DOB is just an example - EPA, DOS, they are all there.

The only reason this thread ever came up is because people complained about every little warning and infraction, it annoyed me because most did it publicly just like you're doing in your post.

And "appealing" to the person that gave you the infraction is the wrong word. You appeal to me when you can't work anything out with the accuser. You use the contact form if anything drastic happens.

And either way, you obviously didn't read this thread or at least understand the content. Since bringing out this new rule, people haven't publicly complained about infractions until your post. I wouldn't care if you PMed me directly, I still get them from time to time and they are far less frequent than 5 months ago which gives me more time to review your cases.

P.S. you don't decide what an infraction is on your own posts, our mods do and many infractions come in after a post is reported to online mods. So there is always the chance that someone else thought you deserved an infraction.

[Street_Soldier69]

i got infractions and never complained about it..... idk why everyone has to make so much of a commotion over it.