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Jaykub
08-01-2009, 01:41 AM
So much for stopping the war as he said.


WASHINGTON — The U.S. general put in charge of turning around the war in Afghanistan is likely to recommend significant changes in the campaign and may include a request for more U.S. forces that the White House is expected to resist.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal's long-awaited reassessment of the war against Taliban insurgents aims for a transformation of the shaky relationship between U.S. forces and Afghan civilians as troops press a counterinsurgency strategy of clearing and holding populated areas, said officials apprised of the report's contents.
The biggest change urged in McChrystal's report is a "cultural shift" in how U.S. and foreign troops operate — ranging from how they live and travel among the Afghan population to where and how they fight, a senior military official in Kabul said Friday.
The latest draft of the assessment also urges speeding up the training of Afghan soldiers and police and nearly doubling their numbers to roughly 400,000, said a senior defense official in Washington, one of several uniformed and civilian officials who spoke on condition anonymity because the report has not been made public.
As McChrystal readies the assessment of the war, due in two weeks, numerous U.S. officials and outsiders aware of his thinking suggest that he will request in a companion report that more American troops, probably including marines, be added next year.
Several people familiar with the work being done cautioned that McChrystal could opt not to ask for an increase at all — a recognition that President Barack Obama and other White House advisers would not look favorably on adding new numbers to U.S. forces after already agreeing to boost their ranks by 21,000 troops earlier this year.
The main recommendations for change stem from the military's new counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan, which is now designed to focus less on going after Taliban strongholds and more on protecting the local population.
The new U.S. strategy is also aimed at helping develop an Afghan government that civilians will embrace rather than siding with the insurgents, two senior military officials said.
To achieve that, one official said, the latest draft of McChrystal's assessment on the war includes the following recommendations:
_Using intelligence less to hunt insurgents and more to understand local, tribal and social power structures in the areas where they operate. McChrystal is considering concentrating troops around populated areas rather than going after sparsely populated mountain areas where Taliban hide.
_Getting troops more active in fighting corruption. U.S. forces will need to take care in their dealings with local Afghan leaders to ensure that they are not perceived by the Afghan population to be empowering corrupt officials.
In preparing his assessment of the Afghan command, McChrystal found an American military culture that showed a great concern for troops' protection — sometimes at the expense of their relations with Afghan civilians.
To change those relations, McChrystal wants American forces to think twice about basic conduct — for instance no longer pointing their guns at people when they pass in convoy or blocking narrow roads with their convoys, while relegating Afghans to the ditches.
To deal with the most contentious aspect of those shaky relations, McChrystal has already committed to try to reduce civilian casualties by issuing new orders that restrict when troops should call in bombing strikes.
A United Nations report released Friday said the number of Afghan civilians killed in the conflict has jumped 24 percent so far this year, with bombings by insurgents and airstrikes by international forces the biggest killers. The report said 310 civilians had been killed by international and Afghan coalition forces so far in 2009, including 200 killed by airstrikes.
Two of McChrystal's civilian advisers, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations, said this week they expect some expansion of troops. Neither adviser would quantify those numbers.
Biddle said Thursday he thinks the total number of troops in Afghanistan should number 300,000 to 600,000, including U.S., NATO and Afghan forces.
Current forces include 62,000 U.S. troops and 39,000 allied troops, plus about 175,000 Afghan Army and police. Some of the allies plan to pull their troops home in the next couple of years.
Afghan forces are already set to grow, but McChrystal urges an end target of some 400,000 police and army, a goal that would require more foreign forces for the training, a senior defense official said Friday.
Any request for additional U.S. forces would require touchy discussions with the White House and lawmakers. President Barack Obama approved a surprise addition of 4,000 U.S. trainers earlier in the spring, after his larger announcement of 17,000 combat troops, and administration and military officials had been signaling that further additions were unlikely for now.
The additions Obama has already approved will bring the U.S. presence to about 68,000 by the end of the year. That is roughly double the size of the U.S. force when Obama took office.
McChrystal's predecessor left behind an unfilled request for an addition of approximately 10,000 U.S. forces, and Obama had been expected to review that request near the end of the year.

love the lies and live with it. Just more troops

jakncoke
08-01-2009, 01:48 AM
I would say yes we do need more troops in Afghanistan with all the violence that has spiked lately

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 01:50 AM
I would say yes we do need more troops in Afghanistan with all the violence that has spiked lately

All I wanna know is did obama say that he would stop all war or didn't he

jakncoke
08-01-2009, 01:54 AM
All I wanna know is did obama say that he would stop all war or didn't he


your little kiddy trap game won't work for me, nor will I baited into a debate. I care very little as to what he said, I am simply commenting on what is at hand. The Afghan campaign violence has rose and we need extra troops to calm this down.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 01:56 AM
Aw you already answered my question

andr6192
08-01-2009, 06:51 AM
sry to ask a question like that jacob... but you got something against obama?

(if this is something between you and jakn ill just shutup)

jakncoke
08-01-2009, 11:39 AM
sry to ask a question like that jacob... but you got something against obama?

(if this is something between you and jakn ill just shutup)
He does, very much so indeed. So much that he has to stretch the imagination in his hate, such as the he shouldn't have a beer because he's a president or he's a 2 face Muslim and will ruin this country and Jacob even threatened to move out of this country if Obama got elected which is hilarious considering Jacob is 16. Stay long enough and you'll laugh your arse off time and time again with Samus-Fan and Jacob pitiful hate tirade.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 05:29 PM
He does, very much so indeed. So much that he has to stretch the imagination in his hate, such as the he shouldn't have a beer because he's a president or he's a 2 face Muslim and will ruin this country and Jacob even threatened to move out of this country if Obama got elected which is hilarious considering Jacob is 16. Stay long enough and you'll laugh your arse off time and time again with Samus-Fan and Jacob pitiful hate tirade.

my age lies. I am 15

souljaa
08-01-2009, 05:46 PM
He does, very much so indeed. So much that he has to stretch the imagination in his hate, such as the he shouldn't have a beer because he's a president or he's a 2 face Muslim and will ruin this country and Jacob even threatened to move out of this country if Obama got elected which is hilarious considering Jacob is 16. Stay long enough and you'll laugh your arse off time and time again with Samus-Fan and Jacob pitiful hate tirade.

LOL that made me laugh

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:18 PM
Jak speaks truth.


Jacob's just being nit-picky.
BECAUSE HE IS RACIST.

YOU RACIST YOU.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:26 PM
Jak speaks truth.


Jacob's just being nit-picky.
BECAUSE HE IS RACIST.

YOU RACIST YOU.

Your truly truly stupid I see it now.

The WHOLE problem I had with obama in in the last thread was for him being racist and the beer. Why in the **** would I be upset about obama saying something racist if I am a racist my self?


Are you that stupid or can you not read?

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:29 PM
I wasn't being serious when I said you were racist.

It's just cause he's black and you don't like him.

And from what I've read, you don't seem to have any good reasons so I just went down THAT ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.





You take things (me) too serious.
You serious You.


How many times can i type serious in a post without just spamming the word.
Seriously.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:38 PM
I and people on here say I am a child.......
Way to talk about world problems like a adult

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:41 PM
I can talk about them seriously, But I wont with a kid who changes his mind and says this then that then the other things over and over.

I'd rather just laugh at the fact that you hate this man so much and are nit picking over everything.


WHAT IF HE WEARS THE WRONG UNDERWEAR?

BOXERS OR BRIEFS OBAMA?
IT MUST BE KNOWN.

P.S. If you really want to talk seriously, proofread your posts better so that "I and" does not start it off.
People probably misunderstand you because half of your posts include randomly placed words. Confusing.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:43 PM
I can talk about them seriously, But I wont with a kid who changes his mind and says this then that then the other things over and over.

I'd rather just laugh at the fact that you hate this man so much and are nit picking over everything.


WHAT IF HE WEARS THE WRONG UNDERWEAR?

BOXERS OR BRIEFS OBAMA?
IT MUST BE KNOWN.

When have I changed my mind in this thread or are you just a little mixed up?

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:45 PM
I'm not talking this thread specific.
I mean any thread about obama.
More specifically, your last one.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:47 PM
I'm not talking this thread specific.
I mean any thread about obama.
More specifically, your last one.

The thread was about the racist comments and how he had nothing to do with it also the beer. everyone took the beer to another lvl. It is not my problem that people want to keep talking about the beer. I only reply to what they say

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Your whole first post was about the beer. You only mentioned racism once, and beer three or four.


Thats what people replied to.
And why everyone replied the way they did.




srsly.
proofreads

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:54 PM
This is the way I see it.

... Obama Gets into a problem he has nothing to do with.
... he makes racist comments
... Obama makes it worse
... he takes the day off to fix something he still has nothing to do with.
... Master plan to have a few beers no. Is it worng no. Is it pointless yes. Would this have even been a big deal of obama didn't butt in NO!!!!!

The first post was about the story its self. This is the way I feel I said.
I think you need to read how many times beer was said.

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 09:56 PM
We're going in circles now.

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 09:59 PM
Circles?

How is that. I was just getting to the bottom of seeing you have the morals of a child

LemonRising
08-01-2009, 10:09 PM
I don't have morals.


Thanks <:

Jaykub
08-01-2009, 10:11 PM
I don't have morals.


Thanks <:

Your a real nice person but why must you act like a child?

Samus-Fan
08-01-2009, 10:25 PM
Lol, I find this funny.

Bush sends more troops- OMG HE IS EVIL HE IS DOING IT FOR NO REASON.
Obama sends troops- OMG I AM GLAD HE IS TAKING ACTION HE IS SO SMART.

I lol'd at Jakncoke's post.
"Ger, uh, I say Obama is right, we need more troops to, uh, calm some things there. Democrats can send troops and be right, but Bush who was republican can't because, uh, he is bad and dumb and wrong.
And, uh, Samus-Fan and, uh, Jacob are, uh, so right on things and make good points that, uh, they are so wrong and, uh, need to, uh, be wrong with, uh, us."

andr6192
08-02-2009, 03:40 AM
maybe im just dumb but in your thread "seriously" can you point out the exact place where you see obama making a racist comment?

Jaykub
08-02-2009, 02:18 PM
He said the cop acted stupid, implied that the white cop was racist for arresting the black scholar, and we all know what white cops have done to black people in the past because we all know the story.

andr6192
08-02-2009, 04:39 PM
ok thx for clearing out my confusion