Faith-Healing Parents Sentenced

[Jokersvirus]

First off I want to say this before i say anything else. I respect your right of the first amendment. With that being said, these parents who you will read about once you hit the spoiler button should be shot, tortured and beaten.



The fundamentalist Christian couple from Philadelphia was sentenced Wednesday for causing the death of their toddler son by failing to get him medical care.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible must take their remaining seven children for medical check-ups as part of their sentence in the boy's death.

A Philadelphia judge also sentenced the couple to 10 years of probation.
They were convicted in December of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in the January 2009 pneumonia death of 2-year-old Kent.

Prosecutors said the child could have been saved with basic medical care -- probably even over-the-counter medication -- but the couple relied on prayer instead. Defense attorneys argued that their clients did not know how sick the child was, and their beliefs played no role in their decision.

Experts say about a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year.

They allowed their child to die instead of getting basic medical treatment SO BASIC they could have gone to a drug store and gotten the medicine to treat the baby, according to prosecutor. If a child is going to die and parents are going to sit there and pray away the baby's illness, they should be charged with manslaughter, not serving 10 years with a parole officer 10 years in a prison learning from their mistakes the hard way. Allowing the immates to find out what they did and make them pay for it. They failed to act as protectors and providers for the child and now we have another baby who didnt get to experience life. I take this personal because i have a niece and nephew that are like my own children.

If the government can step in and tell a parent that your too relogious and force your child to go to school, there is an article about it google it, the government sure as hell should step up and intervene here and take that baby from that family. The defense lawyer says the parents didnt know how sick the baby was, if my niece or nephew start coughing and wont stop im pretty sure that is a sign I should do something, not saying I know the symptoms shown by the baby but we are reasonable human beings at the first sign of something isnt right with our babies we would take them to the hospital.

But calling those parents reasonable is not going to happen from me.

[Jayhmmz]

Yet more solid proof that prayer doesn't actually work, practically.
It is used for state-of-mind, and not for miracles.
If Harry Potter was written in the times of The Bible, then we would have people actually believing in Witchcraft and Wizardry... and He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named...

I'mmmm just sayin'!

I would like to apologise in advance to any religious people on the forum, but they are my personal views, and I was meaning this comment as more of a joke than an offensive manouver. However, these are still my personal views, in a portrayal of light hearted-ness.

[norid]

Well it was there belief...It's a terrible that the baby died...but shot, tortued, and beaten?
Come on thats overboard. If somebody was Omish and one of there baby's die would they be put in jail? Also stating that there Christian is kinda a d*** move becuase it;s like making all Christian look like nut jobs. If there were Muslim then they wouldn't have put it. And I don't have anything agaisnt the Muslim faith...just it happens to be true cause everybody is afriad of being called a racist or prejuduce now.

[Jayhmmz]

If there were Muslim then they wouldn't have put it.

Relating to the thread about the black kid who assaulted the lad in his school...

This comment is yet more back-up for the fact that if you're of a different race or religion to White people, Christians, Catholics.. etc, then you're going to always get the raw end of the deal. It's just ****ing ****ey, supposedly politically correct, biased censorship; imbalanced to the point where it makes me red in the face with rage... Where the **** did it come from!?

[Jokersvirus]

Well it was there belief...It's a terrible that the baby died...but shot, tortued, and beaten?
Come on thats overboard. If somebody was Omish and one of there baby's die would they be put in jail? Also stating that there Christian is kinda a d*** move becuase it;s like making all Christian look like nut jobs. If there were Muslim then they wouldn't have put it. And I don't have anything agaisnt the Muslim faith...just it happens to be true cause everybody is afriad of being called a racist or prejuduce now.

If the Omish stood by and did nothing as the baby was dying ,yes they should be put in jail, yes they dont believe in advancement of technology but they do believe in MDs.

Its not overboard, I believe anyone with a child would agree with me that they need to get the ever living hell beaten out them for allowing their child to die and not getting basic medical treatment because their belief in "GOD" was going to heal the child.

[norid]

I should apologize... I believe that the parents should be punished severely. It's just I get tired of all the flack the throw towards religion now a days.

[Jokersvirus]

Im not blaming religion I blame the stupidity of the parents and how they should be in prison right now for the next 10 years for what they did. That is just me.

[norid]

I left out the word Media. All there is on the news (at least were i watch) nothing ever good is said...an when there happens to someone who is religous they go out of there way to degrade it

[Jokersvirus]

Same goes for law enforcement but that is a different story for a different day.

[leica]

should be shot, tortured and beaten.you, sir, have a problem

sure, they're idiots, but it isn't their fault some church abused their stupidity and brainwashed them into thinking that this **** would work.

natural selection at work, imo


e: yes, they are guilty of negligence and manslaughter or whatever else but that doesn't mean they should be executed
i hate christians at least 8 times more than you do so don't call me out on some basis such as "you're biased because youre christian!!!!1"

[Jokersvirus]

you, sir, have a problem

sure, they're idiots, but it isn't their fault some church abused their stupidity and brainwashed them into thinking that this **** would work.

natural selection at work, imo


e: yes, they are guilty of negligence or whatever, but that doesn't mean they should be executed

i hate christians at least 8 times more than you do so don't call me out on some basis such as "you're biased because youre christian!!!!1"

This isnt a pissing contest on who hates who more, nor a place to make such statements as "Dont call me on on being basis."

The issue at hand is regarding the death of the baby and how the parents need to be beaten, shot and tortured just like the baby was tortured.

No its not negligence its manslaugher they knew the baby was ill let refused to do anything about it. Like i said go ask any parent with children they will agree with me. I would just say call it murder and let them ride the lighting, you dont harm a baby that is a f-ing no no.

[Jayhmmz]

This isnt a pissing contest on who hates who more, nor a place to make such statements as "Dont call me on on being basis."

The issue at hand is regarding the death of the baby and how the parents need to be beaten, shot and tortured just like the baby was tortured.

No its not negligence its manslaugher they knew the baby was ill let refused to do anything about it. Like i said go ask any parent with children they will agree with me. I would just say call it murder and let them ride the lighting, you dont harm a baby that is a f-ing no no.

+1
Regardless on anyone's personal opinions, the fact is, is that these parents are clearly deluded and unfit to function in certain scenarios in the real world. Although what I just said is put across as an opinion, it's also the closest an opinion can get to a fact.

[Jaykub]

The parents are stupid for not taking the baby to the doctor obviously, but I believe it is their choice. Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever I respect the the decision they made.

But like I said obviously something is not right with them to not take the baby to a doctor.

[Jokersvirus]

I dont believe in their choice to not take the kid to the hospital, if i remember correctly on TV the local hospital offered to treat the baby for free of charge. Im not 100% on it but i remember something of the sort being said like that.

[Dess]

Some religions don't believe in modern medicine at all. They don't accept blood transfusions or anything....

I do more natural healing stuff myself, but that is MY choice and it doesn't have a direct impact on anyone else. Sometimes it leads me to get WAY sick considering all of the medical problems I have anyway, but I would rather let my body build up it's own immunity instead of relying on some magic pill to fix everything all the time... I don't even take Tylenol if I can avoid it.... If it gets too bad I end up going to the doctor...

But with the case of a two year old... it's true.. they just might not have known how sick the baby was... Especially with Pneumonia... it just comes across as a cough, and children that young just don't have the communication skills to get across how sick they are. So... the lawyer may have a valid point... I mean the article says they have 7 other children... so they have to be doing SOMETHING right if those children are healthy and happy right?

[Jokersvirus]

I think that "mother" needs to keep her legs closed if she has 7 other children...

Hate on me for this comment all you want, you know its true.

she might have 7 other children but allowing one to die just one is too many and she needs to pay the price.

[Dess]

I just think there might be a good chance she didn't realize how sick her kid was.

[Jayhmmz]

I just think there might be a good chance she didn't realize how sick her kid was.

Having said that, a lot of Mothers are usually naturally over-cautious when it comes to their childs health, almost on the edge of paranoia... this woman was lackadaisical to say the least.

[EpsilonX]

This isnt a pissing contest on who hates who more, nor a place to make such statements as "Dont call me on on being basis."

The issue at hand is regarding the death of the baby and how the parents need to be beaten, shot and tortured just like the baby was tortured.

No its not negligence its manslaugher they knew the baby was ill let refused to do anything about it. Like i said go ask any parent with children they will agree with me. I would just say call it murder and let them ride the lighting, you dont harm a baby that is a f-ing no no.

Retribution solves nothing. They should go to jail or something, but torture and stuff....i never pictured you to be barbaric. Take the kids away and put them in families that WILL take care of them and WILL get them medical attention.

[Jokersvirus]

Its not barbaric as it is an attempt to make an example of worthless parents who do harm to their children.

[Dess]

Having said that, a lot of Mothers are usually naturally over-cautious when it comes to their childs health, almost on the edge of paranoia... this woman was lackadaisical to say the least.

Most FIRST time mothers are...

This was her 8th kid. She was probably way past jaded by this point...

I mean.. even for me being the type to avoid doctors and medicine altogether, I would still make my kid go.. so I can see that side as well...

Just saying.. the media tends to be biased and not tell the entire story... there is probably a lot more going on than that. I always tend to try to see things from every angle... and I never judge. Ask Joker... he already knows my personality type pretty well... as do most here.

I tend to stand up for the little guy or people who aren't around to defend themselves... regardless of my own personal feelings about it. lol

[EpsilonX]

I'd say it is barbaric though, simply because they weren't purposefully torturing them, they did what they thought was right in their heart, as stupid as it may have been.

oh well.

[Jokersvirus]

First of all, your opinion isn't the law. Other people are allowed to have their own opinion, yet you continue to go around saying that your opinion is right and arguing that other people's opinions are wrong.

Second, It IS barbaric. Now, if they tied their kid up and broke his fingers and set a sandwich in front of him and just ignored him there for a few days, torturing them in response would make sense. However, they didn't do it on purpose. They're religious and their intent was to heal the kid through spiritual means, as stupid as that sounds.

Third, I realize that #2 contradicts #1, but you always go around posting topics with controversial stuff like this and saying your controversial opinion and arguing with somebody who's thought process differs from yours. However, I strongly disagree with your opinion here because THEY DID WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS RIGHT. Their heart was in the right place, but their brain wasn't, and I feel like I can express that in the manner that I did because of the way you're telling everybody I agree with that they're wrong.

I didnt state my opinion is law, i dont see anywhere on here that where i say that :) so ya. gg :)

Allowing a child to suffer is barbaric so we treat them the same way. They can believe they were right all day long their refual to act cost the life of a child, therefore they should be in prison or on death row. Either way works for me, in prison they would get the hell beaten out of them, death row, well they are screwed so either way :).

Also quick question... you mad bro?

Another quick question: where on here do i say im right and everyone else is wrong? I dont see me saying it so you must be trying to imply it. If you cant handle the topic at hand because of personal feelings dont acknowledge the thread because you will create drama :).

[EpsilonX]

Well, you never come out and say it, but you present your opinions in a forceful way and tend to always argue against the opinions of people if theirs differ from yours.

no, not mad. lol

I think they should be put in prison and like....forced to do something, but I think torturing somebody for a crime is barbaric in general.

[LiNuX]

how about we all just talk about the case itself rather than whose opinion is what.

As for the case, I've seen stuff like this all the time. So I won't be surprised if it happens again a thousand times in the next few decades.

Belief is a strong motivation.

[Jayhmmz]

how about we all just talk about the case itself rather than whose opinion is what.

As for the case, I've seen stuff like this all the time. So I won't be surprised if it happens again a thousand times in the next few decades.

Belief is a strong motivation.

+1 on all points.

Following on from belief motivated actions, terrorism is a prime example, unfortunately.

[EpsilonX]

lol idk why i posted such an angry post. i changed it.

[leica]

This isnt a pissing contest on who hates who more, nor a place to make such statements as "Dont call me on on being basis."

The issue at hand is regarding the death of the baby and how the parents need to be beaten, shot and tortured just like the baby was tortured.

No its not negligence its manslaugher they knew the baby was ill let refused to do anything about it. Like i said go ask any parent with children they will agree with me. I would just say call it murder and let them ride the lighting, you dont harm a baby that is a f-ing no no.Did I say this was a contest on who hates you more? You suggested a ridiculously violent punishment which happens to be prohibited by the 8th Amendment. I just wanted to point out how ridiculous it is that you'd jump to such measures. I'm quite scared that you support torture when you're going into a career in law enforcement.

Yes, the baby died. But the parents do not need to be tortured; perhaps reeducated and punished within the bounds of the Constitution, but not tortured.

Yes, it is manslaughter; I did not deny this. But it is also negligence. Calling it one thing does not rule out anything else that it could be. I left manslaughter out of my post by accident, and I noticed my error and edited it in, but not before you could use my mistake as fuel for the hellish inferno that's where your heart brain should be. (Sorry, I just had to. No hate against you, I promise. I don't hate people, just their thoughts.)

Now, they did not fail to "do anything about it," per se, they just did something ineffective because a combination of their own idiocy and that of others happened to tell them to pray rather than take the damn kid to a hospital. I am not denying that the death is their fault, but it was not intentional and it isn't completely their fault that they were this goddamn retarded.

Darwin is probably quite proud, though. Less stupid genes going around.


Edit: I added my "don't call me out..." comment as a half-sarcastic flame retardant. I was expecting you to accuse me of bias. I'm glad that you didn't, because now we can have a debate that's at least half mature. <3

[BlackPhazor]

I don't see why at all this happened. See, God's not going to heal your child just like that, that's why we have health-care as it is. God made the means of healing the child available to the family, so if the family actually wanted to heal the child, they would have gone out and get the medication. The prayers worked, but the "faith-healing" couple just didn't give the child the care he needed.