Riddle

[jcmcdo12]

Ok so,....
If a man tells you "Everything I tell you is a lie." he is...
Answer through the poll
(It makes you think)

[Echo]

A confusing man.

[jcmcdo12]

Good god man hadnt even put up the poll yet O.o lol

[Echo]

Good god man hadnt even put up the poll yet O.o lol

To quick for the draw eh?

[Saph]

Deffinately lying in my opinion!

Cause he says that everything he tells you is a lie, ergo, he must be lieing!

BUT then again, he would be telling the truth if he actually did so.

...you're right...Im not sure anymore now....:-/ *crack...*

[LiNuX]

No one can lie all the time and no one can tell the truth all the time.

[Muffincat]

No one can lie all the time and no one can tell the truth all the time.

I can do both >:|

[Echo]

I can do both >:|

At the same time?

[LiNuX]

I can do both >:|

cats are exempt from that rule.

[Saph]

I can do both >:|

You can tell the truth, and lie, at the same time?

Damn girl, Chuck Norris aint got **** on your ass :cheesy:

[EpsilonX]

"everything I tell you is a lie" is a lie indeed, but that doesn't mean that everything he says is the truth.

[Echo]

I think he is never wrong but not always right.

[Saph]

You guys are making my poor lil bwainz hurht :-(

[HamadaLFC8]

I think we should all go play some games :D including this poor man :p

[Saph]

I think we should all go play some games :D including this poor man :p

IM ALL FOR THAT!!!

*Realizes that Im on my dads computer*
*Runs to the arcade*

LETS GET THIS OHHHHNNN!!!:p

[RaiDae]

At first I was confused. and then i realise it has to be a lie. 'cos if it were true, then he couldn't say it. Obviously, not everything he says is a lie. Some things are and some things aren't.
It's like that damned puzzle where one parrot can only tell the truth, the other can only lie. and you have to pick which one is telling the truth. I hate that puzzle.

[Akatosh]

¯\(°_o)/¯ I dunno lol. I would guess that he is in fact lying because it doesn't make sense logically otherwise.

[Synge]

I went with lying, applying the same logic as Rai.

[OWNT]

I figured he'd be telling me the truth? Because he doesn't intend on telling me the truth... LOL great question!:D

[Fr0stByte]

i smell teh lyings

[Havoc]

This is a paradox, there is no answer.

If that statement is false, he would always say the truth, defied by the statement itself.
If the statement is true, he would always lie, but the statement would defy that as well.

[jcmcdo12]

This is a paradox, there is no answer.

If that statement is false, he would always say the truth, defied by the statement itself.
If the statement is true, he would always lie, but the statement would defy that as well.

This made me think of portal 2 "THIS. STATEMENT. IS. FALSE." oh haha
But yep thats pretty much it. Good job figuring out something that no one else could (surprisingly).

[Havoc]

"dontthinkaboutit dontthinkaboutit dontthinkaboutit ><"
Yea I was surprised too o_O

However I think "This statement is false" is a much weirder paradox.
Or Portal 2's Russel's Paradox. "Does a set of all sets contain itself?"

Which is actually an abbreviation as the actual mathematical paradox is much, much more complicated.

[ROFLBRYCE]

Here's one for you! I mean no offense at all religiously, and I sincerely apologize if this gets you upset in anyway.



Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot, that even he could not eat it?

[Muffincat]

I just like to vote in polls

;D

[EpsilonX]

Guys. He can easily lie and say that everything he says is a lie. Everything he says doesn't have to be one or the other. He's not contractually obligated to lie every time or tell the truth every time or something. Heck, he could tell the truth 99% of the time but only lie once by saying that he always lies. He's lying in this instance, end of discussion. No reason to further talk about this.

[Havoc]

Guys. He can easily lie and say that everything he says is a lie. Everything he says doesn't have to be one or the other. He's not contractually obligated to lie every time or tell the truth every time or something. Heck, he could tell the truth 99% of the time but only lie once by saying that he always lies. He's lying in this instance, end of discussion. No reason to further talk about this.

We're not discussing the obfuscations of his personality, we're debating the nature of this paradox statement as such.



I just like to vote in polls

;D

Nice dodge... xD



Here's one for you! I mean no offense at all religiously, and I sincerely apologize if this gets you upset in anyway.



Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot, that even he could not eat it?

That totally depends, I'm not quite aware of Jesus' Hot-stuff eating abilities or the availability of Microwaves 2000 years ago. Also I've never had a burrito so I'm not quite sure how hot they can get in a Microwave...

But if our hypothetical zombie Jesus came back to earth, to microwave a burrito and then attempt to eat it, he might quite probably make it too hot to eat.
If there is something I'm missing please enlighten me xD


I've got a better one for you:
Can an almighty god create an object too heavy for himself to lift?

Think about this for a second.

[ROFLBRYCE]

I've got a better one for you:
Can an almighty god create an object too heavy for himself to lift?

Think about this for a second.

Was gonna post this one but decided the Jesus one was tastier.

I think that they can do this...cause I mean Gods can't do EVERYTHING....can they?

[Havoc]

Yea but then he's like standing infront of a heavy object, which he cannot lift. Then he can't do EVERYTHING.


And if he can't create an object heavy enough... then he can't do EVERYTHING.


Right?


RIGHT??????


Conclusion = Almight does not exist!


Or another one:
What happens if an unstoppable(=infinite) force is applied to an unmovable object?

(Hypothetically, the object is also indestructible.)
Note that the infinity of the applied force implies that it will not create any kind of dynamic around the object. It's unstoppable so it HAS to move in its trajectory.


Maybe that's easier to imagine with two cubes, one is moving with an infinite(unstoppable) force, and the other one is immovable.
Both are indestructible.

[EpsilonX]

We're not discussing the obfuscations of his personality, we're debating the nature of this paradox statement as such.

There is no paradox though. None. He's lying by saying that he only lies. Never said anything about everything he says being the truth. No paradox. Nobody divided by zero.

[paecmaker]

Accually, it does exist things that nobody can lift. Planets. Nobody can lift a planet but still they are "floating" around.

[EpsilonX]

Heck, I could create something too heavy for myself to lift. It's easy, just take a bunch of scrap metal, bolt it together, etc, until it's too heavy for you to lift. It's a work of art!

[paecmaker]

A paradox.

To be "powerful" you has to have an army but to have an army you has to be powerful.

[EpsilonX]

I you can carry one rock, then you can carry another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another etc etc etc.

but if those rocks are all bolted together, they're too heavy to carry.

I can carry a door, some wood, a chair, etc, but i sure can't carry a house.

[paecmaker]

but if those rocks are all bolted together, they're too heavy to carry.

I can carry a door, some wood, a chair, etc, but i sure can't carry a house.

I can carry a house,(if its small enough, like Really small)

[EpsilonX]

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[paecmaker]

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mr happy face...........

[Havoc]

There is no paradox though. None. He's lying by saying that he only lies. Never said anything about everything he says being the truth. No paradox. Nobody divided by zero.


Then let's pretend there in no "HE".
It's just it. He didn't say it, nobody said it.
The statement just stands right there, like it doesn't care.

Now what? This is still a statement and it's not connected to any form of cognitive personality. It's just a statement, it can be true or false. Or neither.

Think of the question as a mathematical equation, a function of a sort.

Or alternatively, you cannot rule out that he said the truth. Why would you assume he is a liar, and everything he has ever said was a lie, including that statement? Maybe he's never lied before and doesn't understand the concept of lying and just made a statement which he doesn't understand?

Maybe he had a difficult childhood. Maybe he is mentally retarded and didn't develop past the step in our infant life where we all learn to lie. (around 2~5 years of age. The smarter you are, the sooner you start being a liar.)

[EpsilonX]

You're thinking too much into it.

A person says "everything I have ever said is a lie"

Obviously this cannot be, since if everything that person has indeed ever said is a lie, then that statement itself is a lie, which means everything that person has ever said is not a lie. But that does not prevent lies from beind told by this individual. The statement in question is a lie, but it is not a lie because supposedly everything that individual has ever said is a lie, it's a lie because it is impossible to be true. Just like it's impossible to divide by zero.

[Havoc]

Well but he actually said "Everything I tell you is a lie."

So you have to consider where the point in time is, when this statement acquires validity.

The second this person tells you this, and be this the FIRST thing he tells you. "Everything I tell you is a lie." This initial statement from him, is it a lie or the truth?

And now consider that this is the first and last thing he tells you.

And it's not impossible to divide by zero. It's just improbable.

[Echo]

I think this went on longer then it should have.

[Havoc]

Just because we have a Wheatley here... xD

But I'm addicted now!

GIVE ME MOAR PARADOXES!

[EpsilonX]

If we're simply considering just that one and only statement...I don't think it matters, does it? haha. punch him in the face, and then see what he says after then you can decide if it's truth or lie.

He says "everything I say is a lie" which, if true, makes the statement false, therefore it is a lie. But it can't be true because if it is true it means that it's true that it is a lie. Therefore, it is a lie. We're talking about the statement itself, not "everything he says"

the statement itself is stupid, like those math problems that somebody puts on facebook and conveniently writes it in a way that it is lacking information required to solve it, therefore causing arguments.

[Havoc]

*white flag*

I give up... you win... @_@

[Delta]

********Head Explodes*********!!!!!!!!

Holy Crap Thats Confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EpsilonX]

Haha i was actually agreeing with you there lol

yessss. I have the ultimate power of confusion. go me.

[Havoc]

Nooo eps... because you keep quoting. The statement. Wrong.
Look at the poll and the original post.

NOT "everything I say is a lie" but "everything I tell you is a lie".
This is a huge semantic difference.

It's a paradox, and you cannot say it's not because IT IS. Paradox doesn't have to be mathematical, it's a figure of speech.

The art of it is to view it out of context and detached from real-world situations/applications.

[EpsilonX]

i know lol. while it's not clear in that post, I realized the distinction between the two while i was posting that haha.

edit: can you explain what you mean by "personality obfuscations" ? I thought I knew what obfuscation meant, but what I "knew" doesn't really make sense in that context...

[Havoc]

What I meant by that was, that due to the simple paradox at hand, we shouldn't concern ourselves with the hypothetical personality of the person to say that statement.
Because you implied the person could've been a liar his entire life, thus of course leading to the simple conclusion that the paradox was a simple lie. Social factors influencing our hypothetical person would obfuscate the meaning of this plain, out-of-context paradox. Which would have been the wrong approach.

It's like that everywhere. For example when a woman, a waitress seems inpatient while taking your order, it could simply mean she's got a bad, inpatient character, not suited for the job, or maybe she's a single-mother, who's shift is about to end and she got to pick up her child from daycare.

You shouldn't jump to conclusions regarding a persons character based on simple implications, like in those cases our paradox statement, or the inpatient behavior of the woman, because social factors can be very influential on our daily behavior. And in this paradox case - nonexistent.

[EpsilonX]

okay that's what I thought you meant. But yea, I was misinterpreting it the entire time haha my bad you're right.

[Havoc]

Well it's ok... I'm glad you got it right now ^^"

[EpsilonX]

lol my point is still valid...it just doesn't apply to this particular riddle haha.

[Havoc]

Here is a riddle for you: I will kill you... >.>

[paecmaker]

Here is a riddle for you: I will kill you... >.>

Good riddle, how do you plan on killing him? With a rifle or do you get physical, or something more creative?

Do you know where he lives etc etc etc.

[Ilyich Valken]

Havoc in the hallway with a chandelier. And I know where he lives.

[Havoc]

We should make a thread about your favorite killing methods...

I mean it's nice to be all up close and personal with a knife, that has character, but I bet it's also nice to feel the gentle push of a .416 Barrett 99 Sniper Rifle against your shoulder and see his head pop 2clicks away.

And it's the interwebz... u can always find out where somebody lives if you try hard enough. xD