What the hell are we doing!?

[Saph]

I just don't understand the thought pattern that goes through the vast majority of humanitys brains these days!:shocked:

Did you guys know that the level of CO2 parts per million is at its highest in human history, 400.000 YEARS!?

That's right, it is, so how the **** can people still claim that global warming is fake?

For example, scientists have extracted ancient air from 50.000 years ago, which was sealed in bubbles in ancient glaciers, with these air samples, they have been able to figure out how much CO2 was in the air at that time!

They also have available data which tells what the global tempature was at those same time periods!

Guess what, the amount of CO2 in the air is ALMOST identical on the scale to the global tempatures, meaning, that the tempature mimics the amount of CO2 in the air almost perfectly!

So when the CO2 level goes down, as does the tempature, and vise versa!

http://www.personal.psu.edu/ebt5007/IMG/atmosphere.jpg
As you can see, it is undeniable fact that the level of CO2 is directly related to the global tempature!

But it doesn't stop there! Since the industrial age began, the amount of CO2 million metric tons emitted a year has increased!
Guess what the level is today.

6600 MILLION metric TONS a YEAR!

http://www.treehugger.com/Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type.png
What does this tell you? Huh?


How can people be so damned blind to the obvious facts that the planet presents to us?

Stupid ass hypercapitalized self serving ignorant sons of b****es!!!


"uuuhm, yeah, how do you know its actually us doin' that, breh?" Some might ask.

That has already been discovered, and here's the proof.

There're 3 types of CO2

There's the lightweight, CO2 - 12, which is very common, and happens when plants have been dead for a VERY VERY long time!

CO2 - 13, the somewhat medium rare kind, is most commonly found deep within the earth, and is spewed by volcanic erruption.

And the heavy weight, CO2 - 14, which is highly radioactive, and happens when biological flesh rots. It dessipates entirely after 50.000.000 years, and thats why say the dinosaurs does not show it! It takes incredibly long to create as well!

Note that CO2 - 12 is the only kind of CO2 documented by scientists since the other 2 are not nearly as common!

The kind of CO2 that our cars use for example, is type CO2 - 12, dead plant matter.

FOSSIL FUEL!

Ergo, the huge spike in CO2 metric tons/year that started in the 1950s is CO2 from dead plant matter, which is fossil fuel, which is what our vehicles has been using since then.

There's no doubt after this discovery, that we are solely responsible for a MASSIVE spike in CO2 that hasnt been seen in the entire span of human history! Can it be any more obvious to ANYONE that this is serious!?

http://sbflixcontest.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/glacier-melting.jpg
Glaciers have been retreating at record speeds all over the world...Alaska, Iceland, greenland, everywhere glaciers happen, they're retreating, retreating faster than EVER documented! Some are melting SO fast that they dont have time to retreat, they simply melt where they are, creating huge streams and lakes, which flood land for miles!

The spike in CO2 will inevitably cause the tempature to rise with it if we dont stop pumping CO2 into the air! And when it does, the tempature will explode, causing all ice on the planet to melt completely within a few years, and cause the global water levels to grow so incredibly, that the total amount of land on earth will be lowered so dramatically that mass migrations will cause severe overpopulation all over the world as tons of land is sunk beneath the swelling oceans!

If this doesnt stop

NOW!!!

We'll pay for it, and we'll pay a price that is beyond the scale of reason for any sane human being.




I just had to vent this, I just had to put my frustrations SOMEWHERE!

Thank you for reading this.

[Akatosh]

I'll just leave this here Global Warming Start Thinking Right (http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/global-warming-scientists-admit-purging-their-raw-data/)

[EpsilonX]

Ever notice how it gets colder every year?

[Akatosh]

For spring, it's ****ing freezing where I live.

[HamadaLFC8]

We had over 80F today in MICHIGAN it was like summer O.o but yeah we are SCREWED

[LiNuX]

That's right, it is, so how the **** can people still claim that global warming is fake?

Kinda like those doctors saying nicotine isn't addictive.



Ever notice how it gets colder every year?

Global warming can have the effect of low temperatures (ice age) because melting polar ice screws with the ocean currents and how the temperatures there are regulated.

[Exentenzed]

Yea, if you look closer on the graph about temperatures.

http://warmingscaretactics.com/images/IceCores1.gif

It shows us that we've hit the peak temperature that our planet "will allow" before initiating an ice age.

I belive corporations have merely used the fact that we where getting close to one of the peak temperatures to fool us into consuming "Eco-friendly" merchandise.

And again, take a look at the graph, you can also see that all CO2 emmisions is basicly getting "reset" after every ice age...

Theory:

The cold air during an ice age might cool down the gasses so that they drop down to the ice and then its particles gets frozen into the ice where it will be dragged down trough the water and stores it in the ground. Isnt that bad you say?

Science page dedicated to Co2 (http://www.co2science.org/)

(Which claims that Co2 is not an atmospherical pollutant).
It even has a video showing a plant growing faster with a higher amount of concentrated co2 in its enviroment.

I could go on but i think you get the gist of it...
(By the way saph, your graph isnt very convincing with the "warmingscaretactics.com" url in it.)

But one thing is for sure though... We ARE heading for another ice age... we CAN'T stop that, it WILL lead to mass migration, starvation, homelessness etc etc. And many humans WILL die.

But alas, such is life... :)
We cant call ourself a intellectual race before we've used our collective resourcefulness to ride out a friggin ice age!

[Saph]

Yea, if you look closer on the graph about temperatures.

http://warmingscaretactics.com/images/IceCores1.gif

It shows us that we've hit the peak temperature that our planet "will allow" before initiating an ice age.

I belive corporations have merely used the fact that we where getting close to one of the peak temperatures to fool us into consuming "Eco-friendly" merchandise.

And again, take a look at the graph, you can also see that all CO2 emmisions is basicly getting "reset" after every ice age...

Theory:

The cold air during an ice age might cool down the gasses so that they drop down to the ice and then its particles gets frozen into the ice where it will be dragged down trough the water and stores it in the ground. Isnt that bad you say?

Science page dedicated to Co2 (http://www.co2science.org/)

(Which claims that Co2 is not an atmospherical pollutant).
It even has a video showing a plant growing faster with a higher amount of concentrated co2 in its enviroment.

I could go on but i think you get the gist of it...
(By the way saph, your graph isnt very convincing with the "warmingscaretactics.com" url in it.)

But one thing is for sure though... We ARE heading for another ice age... we CAN'T stop that, it WILL lead to mass migration, starvation, homelessness etc etc. And many humans WILL die.

But alas, such is life... :)
We cant call ourself a intellectual race before we've used our collective resourcefulness to ride out a friggin ice age!


If you're saying that global warming is fake and that fossil fules has no impact on the world at all?

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, I just wish more people werent so damned worried about losing their gas guzzling SUV.

If you want my honest answer, see below, but dont go QQing all over the floor if I offend you. If you WILL be offended at alittle blunt and to the point opinionation? I suggest you walk away.

Note that if I misunderstood and you actually agree with global warming, ignore everything here.

Sorry bro, but then you're full of crap.

A URL has no convince factor to it, its a graph, go with it or don't.
And yeah, CO2 is good for plants, no ****, you learn that in elementary school.
But there's such a thing as too much of a good thing. with several steps above normal levels since the 1950s, its easy to see the fact that the effects are NOT natural.
And its painfully obvious that you've decided to look over any other graphs I showed except the one I found on google. Good job.

All in all, you can think what you want, nobody can force you, and thats the sad problem. No one wants to accept the fact that the globe we live on is not some immortal and indestructible orb of rock, water, and dirt. It can be worn, just like anything else, and it ages, just like anything else. And the way we take take take take take and never consider the effects it has? Well if you hadnt sown your eyes shut cause you wont face the truth, maybe I could show you. But you have decided yourself that Global warming is fake and it is as such your right to have an opinion on it. It might not matter in the slightest to you, but it's a matter of principal.

If what I suppose here is true, and you actually DID claim that global warming is fake? You just lost a huge chunk of respect from me, bro.

[Synge]

Whoa now, personal attacks are no way to go about arguing your point.


I'm on the fence about global warming. The Earth goes through cycles, fluctuating climate and temperatures, the planet will/would go through these changes regardless of what man does or has done. That's not to say things we do have no effect whatsoever, but to blame mankind entirely is an argument that's always seemed a bit overblown to me and one I don't necessarily agree with.

[Dess]

Whoa now, personal attacks are no way to go about arguing your point.


I'm on the fence about global warming. The Earth goes through cycles, fluctuating climate and temperatures, the planet will/would go through these changes regardless of what man does or has done. That's not to say things we do have no effect whatsoever, but to blame mankind entirely is an argument that's always seemed a bit overblown to me and one I don't necessarily agree with.

Mostly this...

That doesn't go to say that humans aren't to blame for a million other things, but the earth DOES go through cycles. We do pollute and hunt our animals to extinction, and things DO need to change. But I'm still on the fence with global warming.

Also... like he said... personal attacks are no way to get your point across, debates are awesome, but attacking is just uncalled for and uncivilized.

[Jokersvirus]

In all honestly, we got people out there with the capabilities of launching nukes, killing millions and brining countries to their knees. Global warning can go away and have Al gore deal with it till the more important problems are solved in my opinion.

[Ailithic]

A haaaa yes agreed jokersvirus, for now focus on these weird prices and the conflicts going on But Saph you make a valid point and reading that graph shows Global warming is and always will be serious issue

(\__/)-- I think first solve our own issues then the world's,
(='.'=)-- though...... the temperatures are annoying.
(")_(")-- ^_^ Just puting in ma 20 cents worth ^_^

[paecmaker]

Fighting against the global warming is important before its to late. If it get to late nothing we will do can turn it back again.

[Ilyich Valken]

If you're saying that global warming is fake and that fossil fules has no impact on the world at all?

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, I just wish more people werent so damned worried about losing their gas guzzling SUV.

If you want my honest answer, see below, but dont go QQing all over the floor if I offend you. If you WILL be offended at alittle blunt and to the point opinionation? I suggest you walk away.

Note that if I misunderstood and you actually agree with global warming, ignore everything here.

Sorry bro, but then you're full of crap.

A URL has no convince factor to it, its a graph, go with it or don't.
And yeah, CO2 is good for plants, no ****, you learn that in elementary school.
But there's such a thing as too much of a good thing. with several steps above normal levels since the 1950s, its easy to see the fact that the effects are NOT natural.
And its painfully obvious that you've decided to look over any other graphs I showed except the one I found on google. Good job.

All in all, you can think what you want, nobody can force you, and thats the sad problem. No one wants to accept the fact that the globe we live on is not some immortal and indestructible orb of rock, water, and dirt. It can be worn, just like anything else, and it ages, just like anything else. And the way we take take take take take and never consider the effects it has? Well if you hadnt sown your eyes shut cause you wont face the truth, maybe I could show you. But you have decided yourself that Global warming is fake and it is as such your right to have an opinion on it. It might not matter in the slightest to you, but it's a matter of principal.

If what I suppose here is true, and you actually DID claim that global warming is fake? You just lost a huge chunk of respect from me, bro.
He didn't say it wasn't an issue/fake. However, the Earth IS cyclical. It goes into a period of freeze/thaw every so often. We just happen to be causing the next shift to come sooner.

That said, the name of a URL has everything to do with it's convincing factor and credibility. Just about anyone can make a graph and post it on a .com website. If you want hard, credible facts you're best getting it from a .gov or .edu over a .com or .net. That, and a name like "warmingscaretactics" throws up a red flag immediately. The key word being 'scare,' here.

[Saph]

He didn't say it wasn't an issue/fake. However, the Earth IS cyclical. It goes into a period of freeze/thaw every so often. We just happen to be causing the next shift to come sooner.

That said, the name of a URL has everything to do with it's convincing factor and credibility. Just about anyone can make a graph and post it on a .com website. If you want hard, credible facts you're best getting it from a .gov or .edu over a .com or .net. That, and a name like "warmingscaretactics" throws up a red flag immediately. The key word being 'scare,' here.

I agree with the URL part, didnt see it was Warming SCARE tactics, I thought it was warmings care :p nvm, I removed it.

However, it is now a .edu graph, and its a different layout, but shows exactly the same as the other one.

URL or not, its a fact despite the website that portrays it, atleast in this one case!

And about other more pressing matters: People with weapons of mass destruction can have them removed, or simply never use them. However, global warming isn't exactly going to say "eh lets wait alittle longer!". In my opinion, global warming is a much bigger problem than some dictator **** with a small dick who waves around a rod of mass destruction at the nose of the government. They have had them for years, and have yet to use a single one.

[Jokersvirus]

Fighting against the global warming is important before its to late. If it get to late nothing we will do can turn it back again.

As I agree for at least another 100 years this is the only place we will call home, unless the zombie hordes of 2012 start appearing. But if the terrorist start setting off nukes and other things there isnt going to be a planet for us to save because we will be dead and or what have you.

As I do agree people have had WMDs for many years, and havent used them, that is still something that is more important to address than Global warming because one well place nuke can kill a good size of a population of a state and or country. One nuke can kill people instantly, while weve been waiting around for global warming to do something for years. We cant sit there and say "So and so hasnt used a nuke but has threaten to lets move on to other matters." Just saying.

[Exentenzed]

If you're saying that global warming is fake and that fossil fules has no impact on the world at all?

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, I just wish more people werent so damned worried about losing their gas guzzling SUV.

If you want my honest answer, see below, but dont go QQing all over the floor if I offend you. If you WILL be offended at alittle blunt and to the point opinionation? I suggest you walk away.

Note that if I misunderstood and you actually agree with global warming, ignore everything here.

Sorry bro, but then you're full of crap.

A URL has no convince factor to it, its a graph, go with it or don't.
And yeah, CO2 is good for plants, no ****, you learn that in elementary school.
But there's such a thing as too much of a good thing. with several steps above normal levels since the 1950s, its easy to see the fact that the effects are NOT natural.
And its painfully obvious that you've decided to look over any other graphs I showed except the one I found on google. Good job.

All in all, you can think what you want, nobody can force you, and thats the sad problem. No one wants to accept the fact that the globe we live on is not some immortal and indestructible orb of rock, water, and dirt. It can be worn, just like anything else, and it ages, just like anything else. And the way we take take take take take and never consider the effects it has? Well if you hadnt sown your eyes shut cause you wont face the truth, maybe I could show you. But you have decided yourself that Global warming is fake and it is as such your right to have an opinion on it. It might not matter in the slightest to you, but it's a matter of principal.

If what I suppose here is true, and you actually DID claim that global warming is fake? You just lost a huge chunk of respect from me, bro.

No worries bro, i wont get offended that easily. :)

But no, i do not think global warming is fake... its a cycle that our planet goes trough from time to time, while it is true that we have accelerated it, its still ultimately unavoidable... Also, let it be clear that i am in favor of reducing Co2 emissions, we realy should. But again, take a look at your own graph mate... Yes the Co2 emissions are rocketing. but have the temperature risen higher than in the previous cycles where it was only natural emmisions like volcanoes and such? No... As i said earlier i dont think the earth will "allow" the planets temperature to become to high... And counters it with an ice age as said before.

Im in favor of reducing the Co2 emissions to reduce illnesses, like astma and cancer, aswell as saving animal life and improove general living conditions for every living thing.
(It can be debated in your favor however, that the acceleration of earth's Ice/thaw cycle will make it harder for animals to adapt in time for an ice age).

Im not creating these posts to tell you that you are wrong. Im just putting things in perspective and sharing my viewpoints at the same time. :)


One nuke can kill people instantly

Btw, Its not the initial blast that is the biggest danger.. Its the residual radioactivity thats the most leathal after an nuclear attack. :)

[LiNuX]

That doesn't go to say that humans aren't to blame for a million other things, but the earth DOES go through cycles. We do pollute and hunt our animals to extinction, and things DO need to change. But I'm still on the fence with global warming.



You're right that what we're experiencing is cyclical. Happened probably thousands of times in the past. The reason humans are being blamed for this now is because of the levels of greenhouse gases in the air. Geologists have gone back in time through ice cores to look at the levels of these gases in the past and compared to the other times, this time it's much higher.




Btw, Its not the initial blast that is the biggest danger..

That really depends on where you;re standing.

[Saph]

@ .exe

I'm sorry for my spat, but I feel quite strongly about it, and I see that I misunderstood your meaning, as I was afraid I had. I'm sorry.
But I see your point, but some things I don't quite agree with.

For example:

You say that the temp hasnt matched the CO2 levels yet? I agree, they have not, cause the spike just began 50 years ago. It might take alot longer for the temp to get up to match it, but I dont think that the planet will 'halt' the temp rise. If the CO2 levels go up, I can assure you that the temp will eventually match it, maybe not exactly, but I'm sure it'll happen. The proof is there with that the global tempature is already rising. It has gone up several degrees for the past 10 years, and I don't think it's gonna stop.

Humans seem to think that if they dont see rapid change, than its not there. Well the planet does things slowly, but surely, and I think that just cause we cant see the changes in real time, it's happening all around us.

And you talk about ice ages, then, yet again, why does the tempature rise, and not fall on a global scale? It's true some places have gotten more snow this year, go figure, that happens, but they didn't have that snow the year before. However, places that're normally very cold, such as Alaska, have seen a steady climb in tempatures since the 1980s, and its still climbing. Look at the picture in my OP, 1941 the glacier was huge, 2008 the glacier is almost gone. Does it get any more obvious that its NOT an ice age thats happening?

[EpsilonX]

Global warming can be a real thing, but global temperature has fluctuated throughout earth's existence. The temperature would be changing even if the ozone was 100% ship shape.

[Muffincat]

Whether we're responsible for the changes or not, I think we can all agree that we might as well try to keep emissions as low as we can for the good of everyone/thing that lives on the planet :)

I don't think it really matters if we've caused it or not, because we can't change what's already happened. We can try to make our impact on the planet less harmful, though, because no matter what, you can't really say that what we do is healthy for anything living on this planet.

[paecmaker]

Whether we're responsible for the changes or not, I think we can all agree that we might as well try to keep emissions as low as we can for the good of everyone/thing that lives on the planet :)

I don't think it really matters if we've caused it or not, because we can't change what's already happened. We can try to make our impact on the planet less harmful, though, because no matter what, you can't really say that what we do is healthy for anything living on this planet.

The problem is that many countries wont sign up for the "save the world" like programs. For example china which is one of the most fast growing countries in the world. They dont think about the nature so much and when the people gets richer there they want to get cars, many cars. Im not against chinese people getting cars just what cars they are getting. Not electric or fuel cells cars but petrol.

[Echo]

The basic human essential have become harder to get.
I mean we basically pay to live.
People want to control the whole damn world and they don't care how many people die in the process.
Oil could have been replaced 10 years ago when a major Geothermal plant was built that could basically power the whole world for more than 400 years without costing a dime.
It's all about money, something that isn't valuable until we make it.
To late now.

[Ailithic]

for a GAMERS FORUM we sure do touch on ALOT of things totally unrelated to games :) But echo is totally true we are all greedy people in some way

[Echo]

for a GAMERS FORUM we sure do touch on ALOT of things totally unrelated to games :) But echo is totally true we are all greedy people in some way

Now I'm not saying were all greedy people, I'm saying that our leaders are well in bound into there own stupidity( that means there heads are up there ass).
Thanks for agreeing with me though.

[Ailithic]

Hmm I shoulda put But I think we....... etc :) cause its twwuee............ none of us can claim to have never had that moment where greed took over