Osama Bin Laden, Killed by US

[Jaykub]

Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/)


HOOLY ****TTT

[W1CKEDTW1STED]

Frag for the win! :D (See what I did there?)

In all honesty this is great news and I couldn't be happier. Now let's get our soldiers home safe and sound.

[LiNuX]

I heard the news a little while ago. Wonder who gets the reward money.


Now let's get our soldiers home safe and sound.

Doubt that'll happen. Knowing the government, they'll probably replace the Bin Laden reason with a dozen others which will "require" everyone to stay where they are (if not send more troops).

[Jokersvirus]

This might be a win to avenge those who were killed in 9/11. However, someone crazier, deadlier, and with more intent will take over. The person who hated America to his dying breath might be dead but there is still 46 more FTOs out there that pose a serious risk to the United States. Lets be happy we finally got the ahole who was the overall mastermind of 9.11 but lets not forget there is still a serious threat out there and we cant ignore it since one man is now dead.

one of my friends said it best "Ok, now that the President has spoken, let's not lose focus. We've won a major victory against world-wide terrorism. Time to remain vigilant against retaliation from Al Qaeda supporters. More importantly, let's focus on our domestic problems, especially those right here in our communities and the war against the rising rivers and the fight to save our communities!!"

[edgecrusher]

the hide and seek champ of the world has been found... and killed. lol

[HamadaLFC8]

IF this is true ... then RIP. I'm not sure if he's actually the one that planned all of the attacks and so on, at the end he will be the only one that will be able to tell...

and again IF this is true... I really doubt his "army" or wtv he had will just sit there and cry, I think they will want revenge, I hope they don't though :/

Edit: I think another main terrorist is still alive, yet that's MY opinion...

[ROFLBRYCE]

makes me think if he was a cover up for a REAL leader pulling the strings.

In any case, I'm thinking there's gonna be retaliation from Al Queda.(sp?)

[BobTD]

I hope its a demoralizing blow that kills the majority of potential recruitments. Bin ladin was a persuasive leader who symbolized (a twisted) cause and hopefully the majority of it died with him.

It would almost be better if his main zealots rushed to their deaths to avenge him because then they would loose even more leaders. Im just glad the troops where forewarned to allow them any extra time they need to meet a possible revenge attack.

[HamadaLFC8]

Yeah I don't know why everyone's soooo relaxed about this. Honestly, right now I'm more worried than before that something will happen...

[Jokersvirus]

something will be happening, its not if but when. You take out someone like bin laden there will be violence. I think the AQ cells in america will become active and start their missions.

[Saph]

I can almost guarantee you that something is gonna happen now, somehow, somewhere, they'll do SOMETHING to get revenge, I am almost sure of it. Bin Laden was only the mastermind, and the huge majestic crown of a tree ALWAYS has dirty underground roots that keeps it alive and helps it stand. Just cause you chop the crown off doesnt mean it wont get a new one, it just takes time. Where Bin Laden left a vacume, someone else will soon take his place, and launch a revenge attack on the US, it has before, and it will again, these people wont stop until they're forced to do so with lethal force.

I am against war and I despise the idea of people killing people, we are on this planet together, and there're things more risky going on that could potentially kill us all at once, but on another leg I believe that the whole world would be more relaxed if terrorism was crushed completely. As much as I despise war and all it stands for, Terrorism is worse, and if talk and diplomacy doesnt work, then I'd say let them eat led, if they wont eat cake.

[paecmaker]

I dont even think bin ladin was the man behind the plans. And if he died they WILL call him a martyr. He was only the face and Im shore that someone pulled the strings from behind.

And yes I think also that tehy will retaliate.

[LiNuX]

I dont even think bin ladin was the man behind the plans.

He wasn't. Most of the plans weren't his. He's more of a public figure than mastermind. It's just the symbol that was destroyed.

[paecmaker]

He wasn't. Most of the plans weren't his. He's more of a public figure than mastermind. It's just the symbol that was destroyed.

They will probably use it and say that he is a martyr.

[ROFLBRYCE]

Yeah I don't know why everyone's soooo relaxed about this. Honestly, right now I'm more worried than before that something will happen...

So true, man. How else would a terrorist group react after the biggest person in it was killed by their biggest enemy? They're not gonna take that very easily.

[Jokersvirus]

I dont even think bin ladin was the man behind the plans.


Bin laden is considered the mastermind however the original idea of 911 came from the 93 world trade center bomber. He gave the plans to his uncle who is KSM who gave it to Bin laden who approved and gave supplies to help the operation.

[HamadaLFC8]

Kind of weird though isn't it ? That you would just throw such an important corpse out into the sea right, and forever get rid of all the evidence that would prove his death? Saying that its some kind of Islamic ritual is complete bull, cuz we never do anything even close to that.
It's also a bit weird that these news came after Obama did receive quiet some criticism, and now suddenly everyone loves him because of this.
These are just possibilities, never said any of these are facts... I'm just saying it is all a bit weird :p

"Hey we just killed one of the most dangerous people on earth, that everybody hates, let's burn him and throw him out the sea so we won't have much proof!"
Is this really the smartest thing to do?

[Jokersvirus]

well think about Ham extremist could/ might have made a shine out of his corpse and used it as a rallying call to strike back against the United States. US will be attacked nonetheless but it just gets rid of the ability to worship his dead body in a shine or what not. There are said to be alot of photos taken of osama and the government is trying to decide to release them or not because of their graphic nature. I say do it prove to us that he is dead so we can put this behind us and worry about the future.

I dont like obama, unless he was the leader of the navy seal team that took out osama he did nothing more than report what happened.

[HamadaLFC8]

You just made 2 awesome points there Joker...

[Exentenzed]

I think this is all bull****...

Poorly executed troll imo.

[paecmaker]

ironic that everbody thought he was hidden in a cave while he lived in a castle.XD

[Jayhmmz]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[vepanator]

Lulz, this pic has been released on news around the internet:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A7KIUQO39DI/Tb55QmTWsUI/AAAAAAAAHak/PsE2-UNb65E/s1600/bin%2Bladen%2Bdead%2B2011%252Cbin%2Bladen%2Bdead%2 52Cbin%2Bladen%2Bkilled%252Claden%2Bdead%2Bor%2Bal ive%252Claden%2Bdead%252Cosama%2Bbin%2Bladen%2Bbod y%252Cosama%2Bbin%2Bladen%2Bbody%2Bfound%252Cosama %2Bbin%2Bladen%2Bbody-714611.jpg

But then:



http://i55.tinypic.com/2evd9g3.jpg

http://static.stara.fi/uutiskuvat/osamabinladen_02052011.png


Journalists have done this (faking pics to bumb up the story) for ages, we will be waiting for those real pics.


UPDATE: Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his “death” would only be announced at the most politically expedient time. (http://www.infowars.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade/)

Found this while wondering around the internet + mIRC

[Jokersvirus]

according to wikileaks documents KSM said in the event of Osama's death there is a nuke ready to go that is placed in Europe. In the coming weeks we will see if this is true or not.

[vepanator]

If you feel scared, Welcome to Finland, one place no one will never place a nuke.
Rly. No one even knows that we are here. So nice and peacefull here next to Russia <3

[paecmaker]

Or come to sweden. The only thing that will happen if a nuke go of is that we will lose some forests.(or stockholm citizens but no one really care about them anyway) And if you are really uncertain go up to the most northern parts, I promis you will be the only one in atleast 10km radius.

But how easy is it to smuggle in a nuke in europe, the borders to eu are pretty tough so a big radioactive nuke shouldnt be to much of a problem?(but now not all of europe are a part of EU)

[Echo]

No one knows what they're doing, and they don't know what they're talking about...
"Oh, how are we going to make peace to people or hate us?"
Their answer?
Provoke it more by killing their leader.
Bang up job there...

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[Jokersvirus]

In all honestly OBL should have been dead years ago. He lost his right to live when he started to use terrorism and death as a means to accomplish his dreams of creating a perfect Muslim world. Echo, he had to die, the man wasn't going to come peaceful and he would have killed the entire seal team in a heartbeat because their American. This man is heartless and cold There is a **** storm heading this way and its going to get ugly but he had to answer for war crimes and instead he ate some lead. Its not provoking them, he started a war against us back during the invasion of the Russians. We as America defended ourselves from one of the biggest enemies, however there is still alot of people out there who want us deader than dead.

[Echo]

In all honestly OBL should have been dead years ago. He lost his right to live when he started to use terrorism and death as a means to accomplish his dreams of creating a perfect Muslim world. Echo, he had to die, the man wasn't going to come peaceful and he would have killed the entire seal team in a heartbeat because their American. This man is heartless and cold There is a **** storm heading this way and its going to get ugly but he had to answer for war crimes and instead he ate some lead. Its not provoking them, he started a war against us back during the invasion of the Russians. We as America defended ourselves from one of the biggest enemies, however there is still alot of people out there who want us deader than dead.

Click the link, and watch the first movie.

[Jokersvirus]

I watched a few minutes of it, seems rather boring

[Echo]

I watched a few minutes of it, seems rather boring

Take two hours from your time, and watch it.
if you're a person open for changes or if want answers, it will give you answers...and it will change you.

[Jokersvirus]

not really looking for any answers right now, unless it involves some boneless chicken wings from Bdubs.

[Echo]

not really looking for any answers right now, unless it involves some boneless chicken wings from Bdubs.

: D
So, you're not open to the truth, or do you just not like stuff that involves information : D

[Jokersvirus]

Truth is subjective I know what change I want to happen but that is my personal opinion.

[edgecrusher]

i realize i will most likely be in the minority with this but whatever, im beyond used to it. i admit that the world is a better place without him, and without people like him. but i just want to point out that i think its funny how more often people come together over what is an act of anger, hatred, and revenge, as opposed to something good. people saying things like "i hope he burns in hell" just seems excessive. i dont wish that upon anyone. with that being said, i think its just as likely that anyone, even those celebrating a death, could have been born in his exact position and turned out just like him. i think we are more a product of our upbringing and surroundings than most people know or will admit. again, i think the world is a better place without people like him, but its slightly disturbing to me to see people in such a unified celebration over someones death. it happened, lets get over it. its NOT going to end the conflict. someone else will replace him. we may have to deal with retaliation. its just the next thing for people to gossip about.

[paecmaker]

They should have tried to capture him alive. Even if its good that hes dead they should have brought him into court(yhey would senetnce him to death anyway) but that would diminish his satus.

[HamadaLFC8]

They should have tried to capture him alive. Even if its good that hes dead they should have brought him into court(yhey would senetnce him to death anyway) but that would diminish his satus.

and at least we'd have proof that its actually him :laugh1:

[Exentenzed]

and at least we wouldnt be completely certain that this is something their pulling to save face. :laugh1:

I fixed it :P

Also i agree with edge. :)

[HamadaLFC8]

I never wrote whatever you wrote in my quote :p

[Jokersvirus]

They should have tried to capture him alive. Even if its good that hes dead they should have brought him into court(yhey would senetnce him to death anyway) but that would diminish his satus.

I just read on CNN that a firefight happened for most of the 40 minutes the special forces team was at the location. Cant bring in someone who is willing to kill you. According to CNN they had orders to capture or kill, once they fired the first shot it was no longer a mission to capture.


How U.S. forces killed Osama bin Laden - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/index.html?on.cnn=3)

[Saph]

Yeah what Joker said. I saw the news report on Wesh 2 and it said that when the Navy Seals got into the building, they found Osama in an upstairs bedroom with a guard and a woman in the room. Both the guard and the woman were killed in the crossfire, and Bin Laden fired with a full automatic weapon at the seals, they were forced to fire back, and the killshot happened when he was struck in the forehead.

And I actually heard that there was NEVER any orders to capture at all, the point was to kill him, and make sure they killed him. A DNA test was made and it was indeed him.

But Edge also has a point, it's disgusting that we as a nation, as an intelligent civilization feel the need to rally together and cheer in the name of Death, Destruction, and revenge. It's wrong, it is incredibly wrong.

I agree with also, that Osama Bin Laden should die for his crimes, ABSOLUTELY, he did some horrible things, and the only fitting punishment in my opinion was to banish him for this world. He did, in all context, get the Banhammer straight in the face, and got perman banned from life XD Lets hope he doesnt get a new IP Address(LAAAAME!!! Sorry XD)

Either way, I agree with Edge still, I think we shouldnt even acknowledge that he died. Sure, just be happy he died and carry on as usual, dont flock to the white house with american flags screaming "USA! USA! USA!" is that what Americans want their country to be seen as in the eyes of other countries? A country that feels proud of their accomplishments using death as the tool to gain said accomplishment? I cringed when I saw the mob at the white house. These people I will never understand, nor would I associate with them, cause I wouldnt wish it on ANYONE to have their untimely death cheered on. Agreed with? Sure, directy cheered for and associate the act of killing directly with your nationality by chanting "USA!" along with it? That's just disturbing.

It's hard for me to make this point, and I hope some of you atleast see what I'm trying to say. I'm not bashing America here, bad as I sometimes think the country is, but that's just my opinion, I don't like America, not at all in fact, I like Obama, and I think its disgusting that so many people think he's a bad president just cause he's black. I mean tell me, when did a US President last have to publish a PRIVATE document to the public just to get all of the nonsense out of the way so we can move on to more pressing matters? When did a US President have to make their Birth certificate public? NEVER! It's just narrowminded, insecure, and racist politicians and citizens who can't distinguish right from wrong or skilled from talentless.

And that, by the way, is just my opinion. I like America for their friendly attitude and always willing to have a chat, but I don't like America for scrutinizing their own leader on the basis of his skin color or ethnic roots or religion etc.

But I'm going off topic here, either way, better put this rant to a halt before I REALLY begin offending people, cause I like the people on this forum, regardless of their religion, or political views, etc, and I dont want my personal opinions to cause a disagreement.

So let me wrap this up by saying:

There's alot of good in America, but there's a whole lot of bad too.

[Exentenzed]

There's alot of good in America, but there's a whole lot of bad too.

America ain't alone in that regard.

[paecmaker]

America ain't alone in that regard.

you got that right.


And saph: You are trula an emperor of rants.:P

[Mordry]

Well, 2 Points of mine in that case:

1. If he is really dead, something will happen as an act of revenge and I wouldn't like that because the whole thing would start from new on again.

2. It don't think this is true but: What if, and only IF Osama was a puppet? Someone to blame for evil things and hide the true leader of the organisation. I think this is not true but it could be possible...I just hope this is not the truth.

That is my opinion, but it's not the time to celebrate now, just the time to be more careful than before.

[Jokersvirus]

Either way, I agree with Edge still, I think we shouldnt even acknowledge that he died. Sure, just be happy he died and carry on as usual, dont flock to the white house with american flags screaming "USA! USA! USA!" is that what Americans want their country to be seen as in the eyes of other countries? A country that feels proud of their accomplishments using death as the tool to gain said accomplishment? I cringed when I saw the mob at the white house. These people I will never understand, nor would I associate with them, cause I wouldnt wish it on ANYONE to have their untimely death cheered on. Agreed with? Sure, directy cheered for and associate the act of killing directly with your nationality by chanting "USA!" along with it? That's just disturbing.


We had to acknowledge his death if we didnt word would soon come anywhere and the government would have to answer for its secret. Americans had something to be happy about, not in my personal opinion, but justice was served and we've all heard how the extremist were dancing and having a party when the attack of 9/11 happened. Why cant we do the same? You kill 3,000 of innocent people we will party when we take out one worthless piece of scum. Its all about justice that is why i believe they did it, the man who gave the needed supplies and gave training to was finally gone. A criminal against humanity was silenced and I think we should acknowledge it that he was on borrowed time and sooner or later we would have gotten him. It helps give closure to the families who will never see their loved ones again. Dont deny them that by saying the government shouldnt have acknowledged it.



Mordry hit the nail on the head... Its time to be more careful, security has been upgraded to the highest level because we know attacks are coming, hell im worried about that nuke that KSM told CIA thats in Europe and upon OBL's death it would be set off. What is going to happen in the next months are very scary and what our government will do will be the most critical since 9/11

[Saph]

America ain't alone in that regard.

Absolutely not. America just happened to be the target of my rant :p there're many countries as bad, and most of the time much worse than America.

Cuba
North Korea
China
Africa
Mexico
Canada(...jk XD)

But no really all of those above I'd consider WORSE than America, cause in the end America is a VERY free country, and it should be appreciated that we as a people have the set in stone right as human beings and citizens of the modern world, to say whatever we want, whenever we want, and not get prosecuted, imprisoned, and killed in our sleep for it. I mean look at North Korea, they put the Nazis to shame with their death camps, filled to the brim with innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they're now dieing by the thousands for their unwilling witnessing of their dictators cruelty.

America is not great in my opinion, and I do not like it here(especially the south), but I can assure you that there're places I'd hate MUCH MUCH more to be in, than here :p

I mean America in the north is fine. I spent a year in Portland, Oregon and I absolutely loved it!!! I wish I hadnt had to move to Florida cause our house here was broken into :( O well, I'm going to Denmark in a few months :D

[Jayhmmz]

He won't be 100% for-sure dead. There's no visual evidence, only a bull **** aftermath of the compound he was apparently living in, in Pakistan; blood stained floor and a cabbaged room, not so solid for me. Gaddafi did the same to show how the coalition forces were apparently harming innocent civilians in Libya, but the video footage was completely staged. It's all mass media propaganda, telling people to believe what they're allowed to believe. Also, the reason why avid followers of Bin Laden are so angry, is because they too believe the media, and they weren't wise to the fact that he may have been alive or dead before the US apparently stormed in to kill him... they wouldn't have been in direct contact with the guy, so they wouldn't!

[Saph]

We had to acknowledge his death if we didnt word would soon come anywhere and the government would have to answer for its secret. Americans had something to be happy about, not in my personal opinion, but justice was served and we've all heard how the extremist were dancing and having a party when the attack of 9/11 happened. Why cant we do the same? You kill 3,000 of innocent people we will party when we take out one worthless piece of scum. Its all about justice that is why i believe they did it, the man who gave the needed supplies and gave training to was finally gone. A criminal against humanity was silenced and I think we should acknowledge it that he was on borrowed time and sooner or later we would have gotten him. It helps give closure to the families who will never see their loved ones again. Dont deny them that by saying the government shouldnt have acknowledged it.



Mordry hit the nail on the head... Its time to be more careful, security has been upgraded to the highest level because we know attacks are coming, hell im worried about that nuke that KSM told CIA thats in Europe and upon OBL's death it would be set off. What is going to happen in the next months are very scary and what our government will do will be the most critical since 9/11


About acknowledging his death: Oh yes 'acknowledge' is maybe not the best word. I mean sure spread the word, let people know he's dead, but for goodness sake have some self control! Don't go cheering that a twisted man who probably had been brainwashed as a child into hating americans just like the child of a racist gets brainwashed into hating other races as well! And don't go screaming "USA!" As if you're proud that your country has killed someone in their own name. Osama Bin Laden is a bad example, since even if he WAS twisted, I am also talking about self control, he should've known that what he did was gruesome and horrible, and he should die for feeling that the right thing was to send 3000 innocent people to their deaths in a twisted and madness injected version of the name of Islam.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I'm not sure if I am making any sense :huh:

And about extremists dancing around when 9/11 happened, and why we shouldnt do the same? Well Joker, there're sayings such as "Be the bigger man" and "If Jonathan jumped off of a cliff, would you do it as well?" and "Can does not translate into Do". Just cause a group of extremists had a party when three thousand innocent people died doesn't mean that we have to behave in the same twisted and disgusting manner? I mean it's pretty much the same principal as this example:

John kills your mother.
You kill Johns mother.
John kills your father.
You kill Johns father.
John kills your brother.
You kill Johns brother.
John has had enough.
You have had enough.
Both of you kill one another.

Who exactly wins?

There is no point in doing just cause someone else did it out of vengeance or spite. I might just hate violence, and there's been multiple times in my life where I have been wronged by someone MUCH smaller than me who would have absolutely no chance at besting me in a hand to hand fight, yet that person is my friend today, and his name is Dmitri.

Osama Bin Laden was actually believed to have been a friend of the US in the 1980s when Russians occupied Afghanistan, since they both had a common enemy, America supplied weapons to his resistance group, and he praised America for it.

Then the friends wronged eachother, and look what it has come to.

Fear
Hatred
Anger
Disgust
Tears
Blood
Violance
Depression
Death
Squalor
Denial of human rights
Fathers burrying their sons
Rapes

All in the name of vengeance.


So that is why you shouldnt celebrate just cause they did. If you celebrate death in the name of vengeance, just like they did? You are no better than they were. Death is death, vengeance is vengeance, celebration is celebration.

HOWEVER, there're exceptions, as you pointed out. Families who lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, husbands, and wives? Yes, they have a reason to cheer at the fact that after so many years of being unable to do anything about it, SOME sort of justice has been done.

Cheering in the name of righteousness and justice is good.
Cheering in the name of vengeance is bad.


EDIT: Double posted by accident so deleted it and pasted it into this, SORRY!


He won't be 100% for-sure dead. There's no visual evidence, only a bull **** aftermath of the compound he was apparently living in, in Pakistan; blood stained floor and a cabbaged room, not so solid for me.

Tell me Jayhmmz, what could the US possibly gain from staging Osama Bin Ladens death?

What would be gained by ANYONE for pulling this? It's a HUGE risk for something I can't see a reward for.

I honestly think that people who claim its a conspiracy are just Obama haters who wont accept the fact that Obama actually did what a president should do. Made the big decission, despite the risks, and came out on top as a wise leader should do. I think those who dont like him have flared the idea of deceipt because they understand, and HATE the fact that Obama has in 1 evening done a bigger, and better deed to the entire world, than any other president has done in recent history. I am not saying that anyone who thinks its a conspiracy is a no good Obama hater who should be called a butthole for it, not at all! I'm just stating MY belief on why people might want to think that this is a conspiracy.

I mean they're most likely the same people who thinks Area 51 holds alien secrets, and that 9/11 was an inside job, right?

[Jokersvirus]

About acknowledging his death: Oh yes 'acknowledge' is maybe not the best word. I mean sure spread the word, let people know he's dead, but for goodness sake have some self control! Don't go cheering that a twisted man who probably had been brainwashed as a child into hating americans just like the child of a racist gets brainwashed into hating other races as well! And don't go screaming "USA!" As if you're proud that your country has killed someone in their own name. Osama Bin Laden is a bad example, since even if he WAS twisted, I am also talking about self control, he should've known that what he did was gruesome and horrible, and he should die for feeling that the right thing was to send 3000 innocent people to their deaths in a twisted and madness injected version of the name of Islam.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I'm not sure if I am making any sense :huh:

And about extremists dancing around when 9/11 happened, and why we shouldnt do the same? Well Joker, there're sayings such as "Be the bigger man" and "If Jonathan jumped off of a cliff, would you do it as well?" and "Can does not translate into Do". Just cause a group of extremists had a party when three thousand innocent people died doesn't mean that we have to behave in the same twisted and disgusting manner? I mean it's pretty much the same principal as this example:

John kills your mother.
You kill Johns mother.
John kills your father.
You kill Johns father.
John kills your brother.
You kill Johns brother.
John has had enough.
You have had enough.
Both of you kill one another.

Who exactly wins?

There is no point in doing just cause someone else did it out of vengeance or spite. I might just hate violence, and there's been multiple times in my life where I have been wronged by someone MUCH smaller than me who would have absolutely no chance at besting me in a hand to hand fight, yet that person is my friend today, and his name is Dmitri.

Osama Bin Laden was actually believed to have been a friend of the US in the 1980s when Russians occupied Afghanistan, since they both had a common enemy, America supplied weapons to his resistance group, and he praised America for it.

Then the friends wronged eachother, and look what it has come to.

Fear
Hatred
Anger
Disgust
Tears
Blood
Violance
Depression
Death
Squalor
Denial of human rights
Fathers burrying their sons
Rapes

All in the name of vengeance.


So that is why you shouldnt celebrate just cause they did. If you celebrate death in the name of vengeance, just like they did? You are no better than they were. Death is death, vengeance is vengeance, celebration is celebration.

HOWEVER, there're exceptions, as you pointed out. Families who lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, husbands, and wives? Yes, they have a reason to cheer at the fact that after so many years of being unable to do anything about it, SOME sort of justice has been done.

Cheering in the name of righteousness and justice is good.
Cheering in the name of vengeance is bad.




Bin laden as far as I know was never brainwashed, he started to hate America during the invasion of the Russian's because the Sandi King or Prince wouldnt use his "holy warriors" and instead called upon the US for help. He considered that the biggest dishonor you could do. It is also believed that Bin Laden went through "the farm" the CIA training grounds.

I see your point of view of being the bigger man in this situation but there is a time you walk and time you stand your ground, and this is a time you stand your ground. But the overall point is that a victory was won, the person who is held accountable for the deadliest attack on US Soil was killed. You cant ask people to walk away from such an occurance that would be a smack in the face to Americans.
We didnt kill in in the name of vengeance it was in the name of justice. Im confused on why you are saying they were partying in the name of vengeance, we got the person who is being held accountable for 9/11 thats justice vengeance is more along the lines of your example, john kills my mother etc etc.

[Echo]

It’s worth remembering that Osama Bin Laden knew perfectly well that his motley band of fanatics was never going to be able to defeat the United States in direct confrontation. He wanted to drag us into an expensive, dispiriting, unpopular, polarizing war that would bleed our treasury and drain our morale.

[Jokersvirus]

That was his goal from the start also it can be assumed he wanted to finish what Ramey didnt complete back in 93.

[Echo]

To bad we provoked a new start of utter hatred and destruction.
(media mind-melt)

[Jokersvirus]

In the eyes of the extremist yes we opened a can of crap that should have never been touched. In the eyes of America we did what we had to, to stop a mad man who willingly wanting to harm americans and had to answer for war crimes.

It all depends on your point of view.

[Echo]

Joker, you sound like a great guy who knows what he's talking about : D
Why don't you watch that video?
Do you remember 9/11?

[Ilyich Valken]

Tell me Jayhmmz, what could the US possibly gain from staging Osama Bin Ladens death?

What would be gained by ANYONE for pulling this? It's a HUGE risk for something I can't see a reward for.

I honestly think that people who claim its a conspiracy are just Obama haters who wont accept the fact that Obama actually did what a president should do. Made the big decission, despite the risks, and came out on top as a wise leader should do. I think those who dont like him have flared the idea of deceipt because they understand, and HATE the fact that Obama has in 1 evening done a bigger, and better deed to the entire world, than any other president has done in recent history. I am not saying that anyone who thinks its a conspiracy is a no good Obama hater who should be called a butthole for it, not at all! I'm just stating MY belief on why people might want to think that this is a conspiracy.

I mean they're most likely the same people who thinks Area 51 holds alien secrets, and that 9/11 was an inside job, right?
Honestly, a lot of people could have a lot to gain from staging Osama's death. Why do you think that the war in Iraq has lasted a decade? The fear that he could still be out there. That's why George Bush got a second term. Anyone in on the staging of Osama's death would look good for having helped catch the bastard. It's all political ****.

[Saph]

Well I for one believe that he is actually dead.

[Jokersvirus]

Joker, you sound like a great guy who knows what he's talking about : D
Why don't you watch that video?
Do you remember 9/11?

Dont want to really, I have my own views regarding the government, 9/11, and everything else. I have my own ideas on what need to change and what not and dont feel that my personal thoughts on those views should change.

I do remember 9/11 I remember. Not really sure why you said that but ok lets go with it.

[Echo]

Dont want to really, I have my own views regarding the government, 9/11, and everything else. I have my own ideas on what need to change and what not and dont feel that my personal thoughts on those views should change.

I do remember 9/11 I remember. Not really sure why you said that but ok lets go with it.

I bet you, at least one of your personally views WILL be changed.

[Jokersvirus]

I bet you, at least one of your personally views WILL be changed.

Thats your opinion and I respect that, but I Dont feel like watching it right now or having my personal views changed. So I will ask nicely to please stop.

[Echo]

Thats your opinion and I respect that, but I Dont feel like watching it right now or having my personal views changed. So I will ask nicely to please stop.

I'm sorry for being inconsiderate : D
I see now that trying to bend people my way is wrong : D

[leica]

one of bin laden's potential successors was born in my city
cool, huh?

/sarcasm

[Synge]

Hahaha, Echo, you're persistent.

Since we're offering up conspiracy theories, I've got one of my own:

It was planned. Osama wanted to be killed. Why? Because they planted a dormant parasite in his brain, that once he was dead, would activate and turn him into a zombie.. They're starting the Zombie Apocalypse. It's the ultimate terror attack. Zombie Bin Laden and his zombie terrorist minions. It's only a matter of time before they resurrect Hitler and then we've got Nazi Zombies. I for one won't sit around and wait for my gruesome Nazi Terroist Zombie-y death, I'm grabbin Woody Harrelson, stockin up on Twinkies and we're haulin ass to Pacific Play Land.

[Jokersvirus]

Synge your theory sounds like Resident evil 4.

I honestly dont know what to make of it. I think its a potlical tool because Mr. Obama knows his rating are lower than whale poo at this point and time and something like this would get him support and votes for another term. He is giving himself alot of credit for it and all he did was give the go on the operation, but ive been hearing alot that this operation was illegal from the start.
I believe we did what we had to do for the greater good, however we must now worry about the future.

[Echo]

Hahaha, Echo, you're persistent.

Since we're offering up conspiracy theories, I've got one of my own:

It was planned. Osama wanted to be killed. Why? Because they planted a dormant parasite in his brain, that once he was dead, would activate and turn him into a zombie.. They're starting the Zombie Apocalypse. It's the ultimate terror attack. Zombie Bin Laden and his zombie terrorist minions. It's only a matter of time before they resurrect Hitler and then we've got Nazi Zombies. I for one won't sit around and wait for my gruesome Nazi Terroist Zombie-y death, I'm grabbin Woody Harrelson, stockin up on Twinkies and we're haulin ass to Pacific Play Land.

: D
I love this.
Are you for real though, cause I don't like being harsh...

[HamadaLFC8]

Hahaha, Echo, you're persistent.

Since we're offering up conspiracy theories, I've got one of my own:

It was planned. Osama wanted to be killed. Why? Because they planted a dormant parasite in his brain, that once he was dead, would activate and turn him into a zombie.. They're starting the Zombie Apocalypse. It's the ultimate terror attack. Zombie Bin Laden and his zombie terrorist minions. It's only a matter of time before they resurrect Hitler and then we've got Nazi Zombies. I for one won't sit around and wait for my gruesome Nazi Terroist Zombie-y death, I'm grabbin Woody Harrelson, stockin up on Twinkies and we're haulin ass to Pacific Play Land.

LMFAO!!! I love it!

[paecmaker]

Hahaha, Echo, you're persistent.

Since we're offering up conspiracy theories, I've got one of my own:

It was planned. Osama wanted to be killed. Why? Because they planted a dormant parasite in his brain, that once he was dead, would activate and turn him into a zombie.. They're starting the Zombie Apocalypse. It's the ultimate terror attack. Zombie Bin Laden and his zombie terrorist minions. It's only a matter of time before they resurrect Hitler and then we've got Nazi Zombies. I for one won't sit around and wait for my gruesome Nazi Terroist Zombie-y death, I'm grabbin Woody Harrelson, stockin up on Twinkies and we're haulin ass to Pacific Play Land.

Only one problem. They dumped his body in the bottom of the sea. It would take ages for him to get up again(if he even could)

But just to be shore. *collecting guns and barricating my crib*

[LiNuX]

The plan was never to infect humans, but the fishes.

[Fr0stByte]

Hahaha, Echo, you're persistent.

Since we're offering up conspiracy theories, I've got one of my own:

It was planned. Osama wanted to be killed. Why? Because they planted a dormant parasite in his brain, that once he was dead, would activate and turn him into a zombie.. They're starting the Zombie Apocalypse. It's the ultimate terror attack. Zombie Bin Laden and his zombie terrorist minions. It's only a matter of time before they resurrect Hitler and then we've got Nazi Zombies. I for one won't sit around and wait for my gruesome Nazi Terroist Zombie-y death, I'm grabbin Woody Harrelson, stockin up on Twinkies and we're haulin ass to Pacific Play Land.

im going with a conspiracy theory of my own, he planned to be buried at sea, his corpse acted as a seed and thousands on Bin men will rise out of the oceans.

[paecmaker]

He want to terrorize the fishes.

[Jayhmmz]

Tell me Jayhmmz, what could the US possibly gain from staging Osama Bin Ladens death?

What would be gained by ANYONE for pulling this? It's a HUGE risk for something I can't see a reward for.

I honestly think that people who claim its a conspiracy are just Obama haters.

First of all, I will never believe mass-media, end of. However, I will believe a story if there is solid evidence behind it.

Second of all, I'm not an Obama hater, I have read all of his books and I am a great admirer of the guy (even before he gained Presidency), and I am thoroughly glad that he got to be the President.

[paecmaker]

Here they are (the newspapers) pretty shore that he is dead. They got several pages of how it went and the plans and they got pictures of how the presidental staff looked the moment they saw the "killing".

Now I dont trust them completely, they arent corrupted but they maybe have gotten bad info. One time one newspaper pressed upp on the first page that a celebrity took drugs(he didnt) and had to apology the day after. That day the second newspaper had on the front page how the other Np did wrong. lol

[Jayhmmz]

Here they are (the newspapers) pretty shore that he is dead. They got several pages of how it went and the plans and they got pictures of how the presidental staff looked the moment they saw the "killing".

This "evidence" that they are showing isn't good enough. Gaddafi managed to stage a hospital scene showing 'injured' civilians as a result of the coalition bombings in Libya, but that was all bull ****. But Gaddafi was using the power of mass media to make it look believable.

For me to be 100% satisfied with the story, I need to see a picture of his dead body.

[paecmaker]

Dont worry, soon the internet will be full of pictures of his mangled body.


(convenient that they shot his face apart so it will be hard to see if its him on the photos)

[Fr0stByte]

Dont worry, soon the internet will be full of pictures of his mangled body.


(convenient that they shot his face apart so it will be hard to see if its him on the photos)

shot his face apart?....it was only a single bullet wound (above the left eye), but it is possible he had a body double for security.

[Jayhmmz]

shot his face apart?....it was only a single bullet wound (above the left eye), but it is possible he had a body double for security.

See, this is where the bull **** starts seeping out, and making it more untrue as each day passes. Various news stations and newspapers are reporting that Bin Laden took two shots to the head, and others are saying it was just a single bullet. Some news stations and newspapers are reporting that Bin Laden was being protected by a woman, unarmed, and others are saying that he was alone, armed with an AK-47.

It's all a lie. Mass media is a lie.

[Fr0stByte]

See, this is where the bull **** starts seeping out, and making it more untrue as each day passes. Various news stations and newspapers are reporting that Bin Laden took two shots to the head, and others are saying it was just a single bullet. Some news stations and newspapers are reporting that Bin Laden was being protected by a woman, unarmed, and others are saying that he was alone, armed with an AK-47.

It's all a lie. Mass media is a lie.

the woman was allegedly one of his wives, and according to US sources he began firing on the SEALs when he was shot.

[Jayhmmz]

"Obama decides not to release pictures of Bin Laden"

That's a surprise... because there are no pictures.

[Fr0stByte]

"Obama decides not to release pictures of Bin Laden"

That's a surprise... because there are no pictures.

they dont want another PR disaster showing their soldiers T-bagging the corpse

[paecmaker]

the woman was allegedly one of his wives, and according to US sources he began firing on the SEALs when he was shot.

According to the newspapers here he was unarmed.

[Jayhmmz]

they dont want another PR disaster showing their soldiers T-bagging the corpse

LMAO yes, there is always that, too.

[Saph]

Personally it's just the morally correct thing to do.

I mean if you were dead would you want pictures broadcasted of your corpse world wide for everyone to cheer over your mutilated dead face? No I don't think so.

Despite Usamas crimes, he was still a human being, and some things you just
dont
do.
Period.

So I believe that Obama did the right thing in not releasing pictures, I mean presidents like Bush or something would LOVE to post pictures of his face so they could be the one to raise his severed head in victory and bellow a war cry. I guess Obama just has more humane values then that.

And you know, just cause there're no pictures doesnt make it a lie. So can we please stop the whole conspiracy bull****? It's such a shallow and spontaneous accusation.

[paecmaker]

They had to blow up a helicopter in the op. Just look at it. If it was a phony why would they have a burned out chopper there.

[Jayhmmz]

So can we please stop the whole conspiracy bull****? It's such a shallow and spontaneous accusation it.

No disrespect, but you can't tell me what I should and should not believe, that then puts you in the wrong. My opinion of the whole scenario is that it isn't concrete, and my opinion shall stay the same, no matter what people say, until I am proven wrong.

[Fr0stByte]

They had to blow up a helicopter in the op. Just look at it. If it was a phony why would they have a burned out chopper there.

the helicopter apparently stalled in the compound so the soldiers had to abandon it

[Saph]

The idea of EVERYTHING that could be considered really positive is ALWAYS thought to be a conspiracy, or fake, or whatever.

For example the moon landing, HOW can people believe that the moon landing was fake? There's absolutely NO doubt that it happened, I mean people by the millions saw it, so how could it possibly be fake? It's just negative and morally exhausted people who dont think there's anything in the world thats good anymore, so they'd rather just make everything good a conspiracy.

And what do you know, here we go again, conspiracy theories galore on something that has undeniable proof left and right that it did happen.

"Well there're no pictures!"

Just cause you forgot your camera and didnt take pictures of your trip to Hawaii doesnt mean that it didn't happen. Pictures prove nothing, except to appease those in doubt alittle more. Even if there were pictures, people would start calling them fake. Happened with the moon landing, pictures and movies were even released of the moon landing, and STILL after people *****ed about lack of pictures, even when they got something better, VIDEO AND AUDIO footage, they continued to claim them as fake.

Want more conspiracy theories made by said pathetic people above?

The shooting of Kennedy
9/11 itself
Area 51 and Aliens

All 3 were believed to be something else than what the media said, and every time proof was released to "Skip the nonsense and continue on schedule with more important matters"


No disrespect, but you can't tell me what I should and should not believe, that then puts you in the wrong. My opinion of the whole scenario is that it isn't concrete, and my opinion shall stay the same, no matter what people say, until I am proven wrong.

No disrespect intended, and I didn't mean it as telling you what you can or cannot say, I see how it could be seen as such, I'm sorry :(

But I must say that you have already been proven wrong. All you want is pictures, right? And when those pictures are finally forced to be released, then they'll be called fake, and that they prove nothing.

It has happened a dousin times in the past.

And as anyone else you are more than welcome to your opinion, absolutely, and I'm not about to openly try and change your mind, cause I see that there's no point in it.

But I can also say that conspiracy theories have yet to be true. I feel that that is pretty much proof enough.

But I dont want this to ruin our good standing with eachother, so lets just agree to disagree on this matter and move along :)

Peace?

[Jayhmmz]

Just cause you forgot your camera and didnt take pictures of your trip to Hawaii doesnt mean that it didn't happen.

First of all, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy as such, I am just not convinced, there's a difference.

Second of all, I refuse to continue this debate when you're being so forceful in trying to change my opinion on something, it's borderline offensive and it's wrong. My opinion is my own and it shall stay that way, with no influence or input from anyone else.

[Jokersvirus]

Since Obama decided not to release any photos this will blow up in his face. You think for something he is taking credit for he would be more than happy to give the american people pictures.

[Saph]

First of all, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy as such, I am just not convinced, there's a difference.

Second of all, I refuse to continue this debate when you're being so forceful in trying to change my opinion on something, it's borderline offensive and it's wrong. My opinion is my own and it shall stay that way, with no influence or input from anyone else.


Saph: And as anyone else you are more than welcome to your opinion, absolutely, and I'm not about to openly try and change your mind, cause I see that there's no point in it.

I'm not trying to change your mind on the subject, I dont know where that came from. Just stating my opinion on the matter.

But like I said above, I'm not about to lose my good standing with you, or vise versa, on a matter as pointless as this.

I ask again, peace?

[Jayhmmz]

I'm not trying to change your mind on the subject, I dont know where that came from. Just stating my opinion on the matter.

But like I said above, I'm not about to lose my good standing with you, or vise versa, on a matter as pointless as this.

I ask again, peace?

Of course we will have peace <3
You were just coming across very strong on the matter, and you gave the impression that you were totally disregarding my opinion without taking it into account in a proper manner.

I will never fall out with someone over a debate.

[paecmaker]

Come on guys. Its not proved but its not disproved either, peace?

I dont want you two hating aechover for a silly man.


Edit: to late :D

[Saph]

Of course we will have peace <3
You were just coming across very strong on the matter, and you gave the impression that you were totally disregarding my opinion without taking it into account in a proper manner.

I will never fall out with someone over a debate.

That's good to hear :)

And you're right I was indeed not behaving appropriately, I should've taken your point of view into a brighter light. I'm sorry.

You act oddly when you feel strongly about something, you know?:cheesy:

But I see where you're coming from, and Joker put it the best. It is true that Obama PROBABLY should've atleast released the mildest pictures/videos of the incident, you know, just to lay sceptics to rest. Joker's right, this is gonna turn and bite him in the ass in the near future.

I dont believe he's lieing, but you are correct, I can see why some people might think he is due to keeping evidence away for whatever reason he might do it.

[Muffincat]

Yeah, I'm not sure why he wouldn't, considering he finally released photos of his birth certificate because people wouldn't shut up about him "not being an American" *facepalm*

[Saph]

Yeah, I'm not sure why he wouldn't, considering he finally released photos of his birth certificate because people wouldn't shut up about him "not being an American" *facepalm*

He's a strong willed man that's for sure.

But I believe thats a good trait for a person who is in charge of so much at once :)

I personally think Obama is a great president, doing a great job I think.

[Synge]

I personally think Obama is a great president, doing a great job I think.

What's he done that makes him great?

False pretenses. That's how he made his way into office.

I like the guy, but not as president.

[Jayhmmz]

Have you heard the latest? U.S Officials, Military and Obama telling different stories. Some saying he was armed and put up a fight, some saying that he wasn't armed. Obama said he was captured and then killed, the others said he was just killed.

I just don't know what to believe... it's on the news now, and they're showing everyone's different stories at press conferences, all together. I think they ****ed up...

[Jokersvirus]

Sounds like a massive cover up by the government... If they dont get their story straight very soon people will start to massively believe that OBL is still alive.

[HamadaLFC8]

I never believed he died, well at least not on the "official day" and I don't believe what I can't see... so :) smile! hahaha

[Saph]

@Synge: Thats your opinion. He has so called 'false pretences' because so many people stand in his way.

The puppet of all CEOs, Bush, had no one standing in his way cause he bent over and spread his ass cheeks for anyone and everyone just to be that nice guy, which then also meant that the US was run by major corporations for 8 years, not Bush.

Obama just happens to be a very different president. He is Democratic, he is black, he has a different ethnicity, and he had to ****ing show his birth certificate just to lay accusations to rest. Show me another president who had to do that just to accepted as a president. I guess now all future presidents must present their birth certificate for evaluation as some screwed up unwritten rule? Great.

If all of the republican racists out there who'd get over their similar to white power attitude and understand that Obama is doing what he can, maybe he could do alittle more if we presented ourselves as a path and not a wall.

It must be an extremely frustrating job to be the president where almost every single white man has SOME wierd and unexplainable grudge against him. People say he has done nothing, he hasnt done, he has been a president for a very short time. But he is doing, and if all of you who seem to be hating his guts so much for no apparent reason would step aside and let the poor guy do his damned job without scrutinizing him for some trivial and unimportant reason, maybe he could actually show that he's twice the president that bush ever was in half the time.

[Jokersvirus]

Obama has done somethings:
1) taken money away from the Fallen officers fund
2) Insulted a police department for doing its job when he had no right to say what he did.


It must be an extremely frustrating job to be the president where almost every single white man has SOME wierd and unexplainable grudge against him
I think that is taken it a little too far thats borderline racist I hate the man but im not racist. He said he was going to do things and he hasnt. Said he would remove troops within... 12 months of being in office that was 2 -3 years ago.

Yes the president has a hard time to get anything done due to congress and I will admit that but he had the power to pull out of the middle east and he never did. I wish Clinton was in the running I was going to vote for her.

Im not Demo or rep party Im with the American Party. Doing what is best for America, and right now Mr Obama isnt doing anything for America, Im starting to doubt that OBL is dead it was a political tool.


Actually that birth cerft. he showed people still say its not the real one because its missing information, triump even said thats not real you cant get a driver's license with what he presented, etc etc.

[Synge]

@ Saph.. I hope you're not putting me in all of those highly generalized and nearly absurd categories based on my single post... It seems you're only answer to my (simple) question of "what has he done that constitutes greatness" is him being black and attaining the presidency. Good for him. I don't care what his ethnicity is, I only look at the things he's accomplished and the things he said he would accomplish, and he fails to deliver in every aspect.

"He's been president for a very short time." No, not really, he's nearing the end of an entire term, and you do know presidents are fiercely judged on what they do in their first hundred days?

Edit: And those people hounding for birth certificates are just annoying. Overly skeptical people are all over, especially in politics.

[Ilyich Valken]

I don't think as many people as you seem to claim really care whether he's black, white, asian or whatever. He really hasn't done much of anything in the not-so-short time he's been in office. That's why people dislike him. To think otherwise is just absurd.

[Saph]

I r not absurhd :(

[Ilyich Valken]

I didn't mean to say you're absurd, it just seems weird to think that people only hate him as president because he's black.

[paecmaker]

Didnt he start a public health system(weak but that was the congress fault)

Its not easy making big changes when the congress is against him.

[Saph]

@ Ilyich: Well it's absurd to say that no one hates him as president just because he's black. Atleast he's not getting people killed cause a corporation representative tells him to do so behind closed doors.

This might be borderline conspiracy theory on my part, but I believe that there is quite solid proof out there that is kept alittle hush hush.

The only reason why America joined the war in Vietnam was that they were 'worried' about Asian communists would take Vietnam. That's a pretty shallow excuse to send healthy young men and women to their deaths.

There's been swirls about that a representative of a higher end weapons manufacturer had a meeting with Bush, and promissed him ALOT of donations for his second run for office, IF he would have America enter the Vietnam war. Bush obviously agreed, and as the US entered the Vietnam war, the Weapons manufacturer became filthy rich.

There're more examples, but I'm not in a rant mood this morning.

Let's just say that if Obama didn't have so much resistance(I.E from you as well)maybe he wouldn't have such a hard time getting things done. I didn't see anyone standing in Bush's way when he took a vacation to Texas almost every month, while Obama was scrutinized for taking a 2 week vacation after over a year in office.

@Paec: Yes he did, but it wouldn't be good for those who dislike him to point that out. Might make their arguement lose its punch.

[Fr0stByte]

Didnt he start a public health system(weak but that was the congress fault)

Its not easy making big changes when the congress is against him.

i dont think he's getting the right sort of support, and i dont think people dislike him cos of his colour, they feel he hasnt made the sort of impact people envisioned him to when he was elected

[Saph]

It is hard to live up to the expectations of many millions of people, though.

It's quite a burden I'm sure.

[paecmaker]

Now Ive heard that the navy seal team captured him alive but killed him after.They also showed pictures from the house, Dead bodies and how the pakistani military salvaged the helicopter. But no pic of usama.

[Synge]

Let's just say that if Obama didn't have so much resistance(I.E from you as well)maybe he wouldn't have such a hard time getting things done. I didn't see anyone standing in Bush's way when he took a vacation to Texas almost every month, while Obama was scrutinized for taking a 2 week vacation after over a year in office.
So people with a distaste for him.. We're the reasons he hasn't performed well in office? Well sh*t, I should have sent him a May Day basket. I feel like such a guilty ass now :/

Regarding the latest news of Osama: I think they've killed him. Something fishy is going on, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Jokersvirus]

@ Ilyich: Well it's absurd to say that no one hates him as president just because he's black. Atleast he's not getting people killed cause a corporation representative tells him to do so behind closed doors.

This might be borderline conspiracy theory on my part, but I believe that there is quite solid proof out there that is kept alittle hush hush.

The only reason why America joined the war in Vietnam was that they were 'worried' about Asian communists would take Vietnam. That's a pretty shallow excuse to send healthy young men and women to their deaths.

There's been swirls about that a representative of a higher end weapons manufacturer had a meeting with Bush, and promissed him ALOT of donations for his second run for office, IF he would have America enter the Vietnam war. Bush obviously agreed, and as the US entered the Vietnam war, the Weapons manufacturer became filthy rich.

There're more examples, but I'm not in a rant mood this morning.

Let's just say that if Obama didn't have so much resistance(I.E from you as well)maybe he wouldn't have such a hard time getting things done. I didn't see anyone standing in Bush's way when he took a vacation to Texas almost every month, while Obama was scrutinized for taking a 2 week vacation after over a year in office.

@Paec: Yes he did, but it wouldn't be good for those who dislike him to point that out. Might make their arguement lose its punch.

what you said about people hating him because he was black was

must be an extremely frustrating job to be the president where almost every single white man has SOME wierd and unexplainable grudge against him
Obama isnt having a hard time with resistance from whoever you are pointing the finger at, its congress. We the American people play no part in making his job difficult, we are voicing our opinions and in no way is that affecting how he does his job. I Scrutinize Obama for going on vacation and when the Fruit of the Boom bomber happened he didnt feel it needed to return to the US and when he did he started pointing fingers at everyone. Thats fishy beyond belief. Yes you can take vacations I Would expect a president to do that, HOWEVER, when the country has a situation regarding terrorism you dont put that on the backburner than come back and start getting mad at everyone for it happening .Makes no logical sense.

[Ilyich Valken]

Al-Qaida confirms bin Laden's death - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/?GT1=43001)
Found this on MSN when I checked my email just now.

Also, what Joker said.

[LiNuX]

Read that story this morning.

[Jokersvirus]

I was doubting such info that he was dead but watching a story on Wall street Journal a former member of Seal Team six explained that such operations are never disclosed. Now AQ is confirming this? That means they are in the prep stages for attacks against us... This summer Im going to be very... cautious

[Delta]

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[Saph]

There's been swirls about that a representative of a higher end weapons manufacturer had a meeting with Bush, and promissed him ALOT of donations for his second run for office, IF he would have America enter the Vietnam war. Bush obviously agreed, and as the US entered the Vietnam war, the Weapons manufacturer became filthy rich.

Wow, I just failed REALLY HARD! XDDD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[Delta]

Wow, I just failed REALLY HARD! XDDD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont worry we've all had our moments of fail

[Jokersvirus]

Osama Bin Laden Video Game Coming This Saturday - G4tv.com (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712457/osama-bin-laden-video-game-coming-this-saturday/?cmpid=sn-110418-facebook-28-fbfantrack)

Why are we asking for trouble? Seriously...

[Charlotte]

Is there really any hard proof that Osama killed?

[Jokersvirus]

Al- Qaeda, his own terrorist group, said he is dead if they say his dead I think he would be dead.

[Charlotte]

Al- Qaeda, his own terrorist group, said he is dead if they say his dead I think he would be dead.

Even so, many peoples around the globe still asking for the solid proof, but Obama don't wanna release the dead Osama pictures...

[Jokersvirus]

Best guess justification is that the pictures would be used in shines and temples, forgot how to spell their church name, as a means to rally attacks against the US. But that is already coming so they are trying to minimize any serve attacks that are coming by not releasing it.

I was doubting if he is dead, but after watching a WSJ, Wall street Journal, video on Seal Team Six and how it was explained operations like this are never released, and having AQ confirm he is dead. Anyone who says they are doubtful he is dead I would say they are trolling hard core.

[Fr0stByte]

Best guess justification is that the pictures would be used in shines and temples, forgot how to spell their church name, as a means to rally attacks against the US. But that is already coming so they are trying to minimize any serve attacks that are coming by not releasing it.

I was doubting if he is dead, but after watching a WSJ, Wall street Journal, video on Seal Team Six and how it was explained operations like this are never released, and having AQ confirm he is dead. Anyone who says they are doubtful he is dead I would say they are trolling hard core.

Even al quaeda publicly confirmed the death.....so i see no further reason to think otherwise....but unless the pics or vid is released there is still gonna be alot of doubt

[Saph]

Yeah I dont think the US would conspire with Al Queda to fake Usamas death :p That doesn't really seem to plausible since the two can't really agree on anything anymore.

Either way, he's dead, people have vented their happiness etc. So I for one am gonna let this one slip and just be happy one of the most dangerous human beings in modern history is gone.

[Fr0stByte]

Yeah I dont think the US would conspire with Al Queda to fake Usamas death :p That doesn't really seem to plausible since the two can't really agree on anything anymore.

Either way, he's dead, people have vented their happiness etc. So I for one am gonna let this one slip and just be happy one of the most dangerous human beings in modern history is gone.


maybe so....but his second in command is a scientist....so the problem is nowhere near solved

[Jokersvirus]

Actually his second in command is a Doctor its why his nickname is "The Doctor."
Also Saph what do you mean the US and AQ cant agree on anything anymore? I Dont understand that

[Saph]

"Anymore" is probably not the best word to choose since they've not agreed on anything :p

What I mean is that the US and Al Queda are 2 different things, like a can of beans or a rotten banana, there really isn't any relation to either(Except maybe that both will make you have farts of mass destruction)

But as horrible as Al Queda is in our eyes, you have to understand the fact that Al Queda are eternally dedicated to what they believe in, just like you and I are dedicated to our own things.

The US and AQ just happen to have their "dedications' clash quite abit. But Al Queda are not mindless killers with absolutely no agenda to their actions whatsoever. Maybe to us it sounds ludacris when they explain why they do what they do, but to them? It is what they believe in.

Just like a group of Aliens from a 6.000.000 light years distant galaxy would probably find our ideas of Religion, or Art, or Gaming even, as very wierd, maybe even perverted in some way. But as always, that'd just be from their perspective of things, if we hadn't been exposed to what we were exposed to at a young age, we might find it disturbing today.

Think cannibals or nazis or racist children. They just do what their parents do. Eat people, hate jews, and hate anyone who is not caucassian or a tax paying American or whatever their fathers twisted values in life are. It is not the childs fault, its the parents.

But now I'm going WAAAY off track, I have answered the question.

[Jokersvirus]

You do answer the question. I do understand AQ and why they do what they do, im no expert, and to them it make sense and to me it makes sense. I do understand their mind set they are protecting their way of life and according to their practices and religion, by their standards they are not following normal muslim traditions, killing people, which is strictly forbidden by their religion, is an acceptable means to order their way of life.

Im currently a student in a homeland security program we spent half the semester in my Terrorism classunderstanding concepts and ideas to why extremist do what they do :P

[leica]

skimmed page 8 and got mad so here are a few points, cbf to read the next two pages:

1) al qaeda confirmed his death
2) the photos won't be released because it gives al qaeda propaganda to use
3) public opinion polls say america is okay with them not being released
4) who gives a **** about the details, he's dead, big deal, get over it and stop over-analyzing it

[Jayhmmz]

But, Al Qaeda would confirm it, wouldn't they? Just so they can gain more of a rabid reaction from the avid followers of Bin Laden and his ideas, to create more of an epic retaliation, if there will be one, which there will be.

[Jokersvirus]

You hit the nail on the head Jay, that is the very reason they would do it.

Leica,
I care about details I would love to read sanitized AARs from Seal Team Six. I want to know what happen from the start of the mission to the end. Without details we wouldnt really know he was dead until AQ confirmed it as well. It would be weird Obama coming out saying Osama is dead no details given and walks away. Just saying.

There will be a special on Discovery this sunday talking about Seal Team Six and the mission. Should be interesting.

[Fr0stByte]

skimmed page 8 and got mad so here are a few points, cbf to read the next two pages:

1) al qaeda confirmed his death
2) the photos won't be released because it gives al qaeda propaganda to use
3) public opinion polls say america is okay with them not being released
4) who gives a **** about the details, he's dead, big deal, get over it and stop over-analyzing it

Hear Hear >applause<

[Jokersvirus]

my dad just sent this to me and its just so funny i thought i would share it.

[paecmaker]

my dad just sent this to me and its just so funny i thought i would share it.

ha ha ha epic, may contain traces of led made me lol.

[Fr0stByte]

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/hideandseekchamp1304306341.png

[paecmaker]

yay make this thread about funny osama memes.

http://www.funnyzone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/97734-sexy_osama_bin_laden_costume_halloween.jpg

[Fr0stByte]

http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/18qJUw6KJxy.jpg

[paecmaker]

http://images.ientrymail.com/webpronews/article_pics/osamameme3.jpg

[Fr0stByte]

http://www.emailgoodies.faketrix.com/content/pix/priceless/original-files/funny-Osama-Bin-Laden-priceless-picture-shooting-sniper.jpg

[paecmaker]

Its priceless for you..

[Charlotte]

http://images.ientrymail.com/webpronews/article_pics/osamameme3.jpg

Obama killed Osama ! lol

[Fr0stByte]

Obama killed Osama ! lol



you know you can get that on a t-shirt?....priceless xD

[Jokersvirus]

I Dont know why obama is sharing the credit with the team... In all reality the kill should be no related to obama all he did was give the green light that is hardly a reason to make pictures like Paec shared with us

[Saph]

I Dont know why obama is sharing the credit with the team... In all reality the kill should be no related to obama all he did was give the green light that is hardly a reason to make pictures like Paec shared with us

Well Joker technically Obama DID ALLOW Osama to be killed. He had this thing on his mind for months, gaining intelligence and making decissions that could potentially kill alot of people in his name.

I would say that due to the fact that Obama was the one who debated for months, finally decided to, without ANY solid proof that Osama was infact THERE, but the chances were still good, give the green light and let the seals attack the compound. For all they, and Obama, knew, the compound could be a rented residence of a rich indian prince or something, in which case, there'd be BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG trouble for Obama especially.

He decided that the pros outweighed the cons, both deffinate and possible, and decided to give the green light, and it paid off.

For all of that debating and worrying and careful examination of proof, HE was technically the mastermind of Obamas killing, but it was in all truth a shared achievement.

[Fr0stByte]

i think we should let this thread die now....he's dead and thats all that matters.

[LiNuX]

i think we should let this thread die now....he's dead and thats all that matters.

Well...we need someone from the Navy Seal to shoot this thread in the eye.

[Ilyich Valken]

Well Joker technically Obama DID ALLOW Osama to be killed. He had this thing on his mind for months, gaining intelligence and making decissions that could potentially kill alot of people in his name.

I would say that due to the fact that Obama was the one who debated for months, finally decided to, without ANY solid proof that Osama was infact THERE, but the chances were still good, give the green light and let the seals attack the compound. For all they, and Obama, knew, the compound could be a rented residence of a rich indian prince or something, in which case, there'd be BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG trouble for Obama especially.

He decided that the pros outweighed the cons, both deffinate and possible, and decided to give the green light, and it paid off.

For all of that debating and worrying and careful examination of proof, HE was technically the mastermind of Obamas killing, but it was in all truth a shared achievement.
However, Obama didn't have a directly effect Osama's death aside from giving the go-ahead. Giving Obama credit for killing Osama is like giving a general, sitting back at base, credit for keeping a unit alive while waiting for evac to arrive.

The fact that the compound had no internet and no phone-lines was a huge tip-off as far as making the decision goes. That's what made the compound so hard to find at first.

[Saph]

However, Obama didn't have a directly effect Osama's death aside from giving the go-ahead. Giving Obama credit for killing Osama is like giving a general, sitting back at base, credit for keeping a unit alive while waiting for evac to arrive.

The fact that the compound had no internet and no phone-lines was a huge tip-off as far as making the decision goes. That's what made the compound so hard to find at first.

I can't help but feel that if this had happened while Bush was still around, he would've immediately gotten full credit for it.

And comparing a president sitting for months on end trying to make the right decission, to a general sitting in his office while soldiers are being killed, is just not correct.

All in all, I believe that Obama had just as much credit in Osamas killing just like the information diggers, the seals etc. Everyone had a part in it, and you cannot dejustify that....Is that even a word? lol

Either way, I believe that Obama rightfully deserves the credit he gets, just like the Navy seals do.

I mean can you imagine what scrutiny he'd be under both by some other country, and his own country's people, if he had gone into that compound and Osama was NOT there? You completely ignored this before, so think about it again.

Compared to what he did, what if he had made the wrong decission? What if he had given red light, and it later showed Osama being there? Or what if he gave the green light and Osama WASNT there, but some other vacationing person from say India or something? What do you think the vast army of Obama haters would do if that was the case?

Obama was under constant and immense pressure for a very long time leading up to the assault(Watch his interview on 60 minutes), and he wanted to talk with someone about it, but the mission by itself was so extremely secret that only a small handful of people in the white house even knew they were trying, it was so secret, that the people closest to him, such as family, advisors etc. had no idea, and it was not to be discussed outside a closed room.

So imagine if you were in his shoes, dude.

On one hand you have a successful mission, where almost everything(the helicopter issue)goes as planned, Osama Bin Laden is found, and killed. BUT you're scrutinized for it for not releasing pictures of his corpse, which you don't, since you have respect for other cultures and their beliefs, so instead of parading his head around on a stick to show how wise and powerful you are, and to spit all muslims in the face for not giving another muslim a proper burial, possibly leading to even more attacks as retaliation, you decide to hold the pictures back out of respect. And let's not forget that people actually question if you should have credit for these long months of planning.

On another hand you have a failed mission, where Osama bin laden might be better armed and dangerous than thought, and several seals are forced to retreat, or possibly even killed. How do you think all of your critics and all of your haters would take that out on you? Your position as president is immediately questioned by several people, perhaps even more than before.

On another hand you have a failed mission, where Osama is not there, but instead there's some internationally important prince from India or something. India considers it an act of violence, and the US laughs at you for making the wrong decission.

HOW would you handle such stakes, and still be able to last for MONTHS of constant worrying, without having ANYONE close to you to talk about it with?

HOW would you handle what he handled?

That's why he's president, cause he got brass balls and a determination that "Hasn't been seen in many presidents in the past" - heard that on the radio.


So I think that it is not fair to say that he has any less credit in this than anyone else, infact, I think he has much much more credit than the others, but to compromise, I think I could go with AS MUCH credit as everyone else, even though it is by no means justice or righteous to do so.


That's my opinion on this, and I agree, think it's time for this thread to die out now :)

[LiNuX]

Didn't you hear? Credit is going all the way back to Reagan.

[Jokersvirus]

Well Joker technically Obama DID ALLOW Osama to be killed. He had this thing on his mind for months, gaining intelligence and making decissions that could potentially kill alot of people in his name.

I would say that due to the fact that Obama was the one who debated for months, finally decided to, without ANY solid proof that Osama was infact THERE, but the chances were still good, give the green light and let the seals attack the compound. For all they, and Obama, knew, the compound could be a rented residence of a rich indian prince or something, in which case, there'd be BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG trouble for Obama especially.

He decided that the pros outweighed the cons, both deffinate and possible, and decided to give the green light, and it paid off.

For all of that debating and worrying and careful examination of proof, HE was technically the mastermind of Obamas killing, but it was in all truth a shared achievement.

That doesnt give anyone really the means to give him the credit though. Just because you give the ok for the mission to start means nothing because if the mission failed he would have denied the operation. Seals are a special forces/ black ops team. The thing about intelligence is that its not 100% spot on never will be, a product of intelligence is pretty much contacting the dots and the dots said he was there. Only reason Obama should ever receive credit is if 1) he was the leader of the Seals team or a member of the team, or B) Helped gather the intelligence
He wasnt the mastermind because he didnt plan the attack on the compound the seals did. While the seals were going on the most dangerous mission of their life he was sitting comfortable in the white house watching TV and getting intelligence updates.

Someone who is getting alot of credit for the kill doesnt seem right when he was sitting safely in his house while the team was out killing. Just sayin'


Can i get credit because i support America Linux

[Ilyich Valken]

I can't help but feel that if this had happened while Bush was still around, he would've immediately gotten full credit for it.
This is probably incorrect, at least I wouldn't have.


And comparing a president sitting for months on end trying to make the right decission, to a general sitting in his office while soldiers are being killed, is just not correct.
It's a pretty fitting analogy. Mind you, the President is the Commander in Chief, he's not out on the front lines. Much like a General. I never said the general would be sitting in his office, but you certainly wouldn't find him out on the front lines, fighting with the soldiers.


All in all, I believe that Obama had just as much credit in Osamas killing just like the information diggers, the seals etc. Everyone had a part in it, and you cannot dejustify that....Is that even a word? lol

Either way, I believe that Obama rightfully deserves the credit he gets, just like the Navy seals do.
I didn't say he doesn't deserve credit, just not as much as he's getting. He didn't put his life on the line, he wasn't in Pakistan.


I mean can you imagine what scrutiny he'd be under both by some other country, and his own country's people, if he had gone into that compound and Osama was NOT there? You completely ignored this before, so think about it again ... Or what if he gave the green light and Osama WASNT there, but some other vacationing person from say India or something? What do you think the vast army of Obama haters would do if that was the case?
Actually, I didn't completely ignore it, you just chose not to read or understand it. I said "The lack of internet and phone lines/capabilities helped make the decision."

If it was someone "vacationing" from somewhere, wouldn't you think they'd have some form of communication outside of using messengers? Satellite internet/cable, even cellphone activity? These things are easily trace-able. That's why there wasn't any, so your "what-if" is slightly irrelevant. He was there, it wasn't someone else.

I'm not saying he didn't have a difficult time leading up to the assault, or that he shouldn't get any credit, but when it comes down to it, it was SEAL Team Six that went into Pakistan, without prior approval from the Pakistan government, entered the compound, got into a fire fight, and killed him.



Can i get credit because i support America Linux

This.

[LiNuX]

Can i get credit because i support America Linux

Of course.

I know I'm getting my credit. The certificate that reads "I killed Osama" is in the mail. I think the Presidents are getting Trophies though.

[Jokersvirus]

woot we should have a big party for getting these certificates :)

[Saph]

To all of you who thinks Obama has it safe while making his decissions:

Sure, soldiers risk their lives in wars, and it ends for good once they're out.

But saying that Obama is not putting his life on the line? I'm sorry, but he is probably THE person who is in the biggest risk of all.

He puts his neck out there, and for it, it is VERY likely that there'll be assassination attempts etc. A soldier is just a target, while a president as outspoken with actions as Obama is, well he's a walking bullseye for the people who disagree with him.

All in all, I think your opinions are highly unfair, and just cause there wasnt any internet connection etc. in there plays very little part in saying that it was for sure Osama who was in there. Could be the owner had not had it installed yet, or maybe they simply didn't want it there since it might be their haven where they wanna be left alone. So saying that just cause there was lacking outside connection from the house is a VERY lacking card to base your entire hand on. That's damned right true right there.

And maybe I'm seeing it in the wrong light, but I can't help but feel that I am being mocked.

If I'm right, then I have no more reason to be here, as all attempts at making a sensible debate just got thrown out the window.

Please, this time, I ask you to tell me I'm wrong.

[EpsilonX]

There's a difference between making decisions in an office and running around while people are shooting at you. Of course there's a risk being the president, you'll make enemies and such. But that's a completely different risk than running around a battlefield with other people trying to shoot you dead. The President's life is much more necessary to protect than a soldier's (i'm not saying soldiers are expendable, and don't even try to turn this into a debate about that)

let me try to put it another way. A soldier runs through storms of bullets. president sits in the office with people to protect him.

[Saph]

There's a difference between making decisions in an office and running around while people are shooting at you. Of course there's a risk being the president, you'll make enemies and such. But that's a completely different risk than running around a battlefield with other people trying to shoot you dead. The President's life is much more necessary to protect than a soldier's (i'm not saying soldiers are expendable, and don't even try to turn this into a debate about that)

let me try to put it another way. A soldier runs through storms of bullets. president sits in the office with people to protect him.

I get your point but saying that the president is just making decissions is highly underrating.

[EpsilonX]

I get your point but saying that the president is just making decissions is highly underrating.

it's a dangerous job but to me it seems like you're trying to say he's putting his life on the line just as much as a soldier on a battlefield is.

[Jokersvirus]

To all of you who thinks Obama has it safe while making his decissions:

Sure, soldiers risk their lives in wars, and it ends for good once they're out.

But saying that Obama is not putting his life on the line? I'm sorry, but he is probably THE person who is in the biggest risk of all.

He puts his neck out there, and for it, it is VERY likely that there'll be assassination attempts etc. A soldier is just a target, while a president as outspoken with actions as Obama is, well he's a walking bullseye for the people who disagree with him.

All in all, I think your opinions are highly unfair, and just cause there wasnt any internet connection etc. in there plays very little part in saying that it was for sure Osama who was in there. Could be the owner had not had it installed yet, or maybe they simply didn't want it there since it might be their haven where they wanna be left alone. So saying that just cause there was lacking outside connection from the house is a VERY lacking card to base your entire hand on. That's damned right true right there.

And maybe I'm seeing it in the wrong light, but I can't help but feel that I am being mocked.

If I'm right, then I have no more reason to be here, as all attempts at making a sensible debate just got thrown out the window.

Please, this time, I ask you to tell me I'm wrong.

The thing about Obama he is a target this is fact that can not be argued. However, he has Secret Service they are highly trained and they will take a bullet for Obama without a second thought. But if he is in the White house giving the OK that doesnt justify him getting any credit. He has so many SS protecting him and the security protocols are out of this world. The likely hood of him getting taken out is slim to none. Therefore I ask you how is he putting his neck on the line if he is protected in the white house surrounded by Secret Service plus whoever else has priority to protect the president, Secret Service is the Primary agency however there are others, and he gives the order to execute the black ops.

So in this situation Seal Team Six went into the compound when they had issues with the helicoper and still got the job done they got shot at and no one was killed, thank god, while obama was safe in the white house with all his SS. Again how does that justify giving him credit?

There is information we are missing and that is classified that we wont hear about for a good 20 years or more.

[Saph]

it's a dangerous job but to me it seems like you're trying to say he's putting his life on the line just as much as a soldier on a battlefield is.

No not at all, I feel like people are claiming that Obama is never in any danger, that he's none stop safe from anything etc.

Of course a soldiers job is in all essence more dangerous than Obamas is. Bullets vs. Assassination threats, biiiig difference.

BUT!!! And here's why I think that Obama is very much more of a target than any individual soldier is:

If a soldier survives the VERY dangerous time of being in the army, and gets out. They're off the hook. NO ONE on the enemys side knows who they are, and there're even WWII stories about American veterans BEFRIENDING Japanese- or German veterans. People who would've mercilessly killed one another just a few decades ago, are suddenly laughing together afterwards.

If an outspoken president survives the not so dangerous time in office. They're NOT off the hook. EVERYONE on the enemys side knows who they are, and its likely that if they're not killed during office, they might be afterwards, when secret service gets a new job to complete. A president will most likely never befriend their former enemies.


Do you see what I mean?

[Jokersvirus]

Presidents have secret service for 10 years after office, this is a new law that was passed by clinton, i believe, to save money. So they got protection However if they ever come under threat of attack SS can be called back into action to protect them.

From what im seeing you say Saph, and I might be wrong in my thinking, that Obama is in danger and what not it kinda seems like you are assuming those who protect him dont have a clue of what kind of threats they are up against. I might be wrong but that is what im seeing.

[Saph]

Presidents have secret service for 10 years after office, this is a new law that was passed by clinton, i believe, to save money. So they got protection However if they ever come under threat of attack SS can be called back into action to protect them.

If that's true, then nvm.

What about after 10 years though?

I mean most presidents? Probably not! But Obama is the reason for Osamas death, a hero in some peoples eyes, and when a fanatic has his hero murdered by another man, they're most likely relentless for revenge.

I'm afraid that 10 years wont be enough in Obamas case.

And try and read the long post I made above where I talk about what ifs. There're already people in the US who hate him, and if Obama had made a big mistake in attacking that compound, wether he wasnt there(Which I feel I proved above WAS A POSSILITY), or if the mission caused a lot of american deaths. THAT could've compromised his security as well.

And no man, and no organization is perfect, neither is the Secret Service(sorry saying SS is just WRONG to me). The Secret Service helps alot, yes, but it does not make him immortal while in office.

[LiNuX]

So in this situation Seal Team Six went into the compound when they had issues with the helicoper and still got the job done they got shot at and no one was killed, thank god, while obama was safe in the white house with all his SS. Again how does that justify giving him credit?

Then Hitler shouldn't be blamed for the Holocaust.

Credit in this world works differently than the way you or I want it to be.

What should it matter who gets credit anyway? As long as Osama stays dead, they can give credit to Sarah Palin for all I care.

[Saph]

...................

Lol Linux has a point :p

Didn't even think of that. Heck, as long as he's dead, who cares if it was by the hands of Obama, the army, sarah palin, or George friggin Clooney? Who cares? As long as he remains dead.

And I'm glad I am atleast understood alittle with my opinions on credit :) It is true, if Obama gets no credit for Osamas death, then Hitler gets no credit for the Holocaust or WWI.

[Jokersvirus]

If that's true, then nvm.

What about after 10 years though?

I mean most presidents? Probably not! But Obama is the reason for Osamas death, a hero in some peoples eyes, and when a fanatic has his hero murdered by another man, they're most likely relentless for revenge.

I'm afraid that 10 years wont be enough in Obamas case.

And try and read the long post I made above where I talk about what ifs. There're already people in the US who hate him, and if Obama had made a big mistake in attacking that compound, wether he wasnt there(Which I feel I proved above WAS A POSSILITY), or if the mission caused a lot of american deaths. THAT could've compromised his security as well.

And no man, and no organization is perfect, neither is the Secret Service(sorry saying SS is just WRONG to me). The Secret Service helps alot, yes, but it does not make him immortal while in office.

As I said in my last post that if a threat of attack comes against former presidents SS can come back and protect them.

Obama isnt a Hero Im sorry as ive stated many times over he has done nothing but give the ok to execute the mission. Yes people hate him but I have yet to see someone take a shot at him. People are all talk and rarely do they do anything but talk.For every what if you come up with the SS has a measure in place and since no one knows SS protocol there is no way to counter it. Americans are dying left and right in the war we are fighting right now I dont understand how that can compromise his security if alot of americans died in the mission.


It annoys me that people take credit for work they didnt do. If Osama is dead I should get credit for helping protect america. If you dont do the work you shouldnt get the credit, just how i was raised. I will admit I hate Obama, not because of the color of his skin but by the actions he has taken.

[Saph]

Well I explained somewhere that hatred for Obama is missplaced.

If so many people hated you and refused to take orders from you, then how could you do ANYTHING to help advance the war in your favor? Just an example.

ALOT of people dislike him because they've been spoiled by Bush's blunt and careless approach to being a president. People liked it, eventhough most of the things he did on the side were pretty bad(People complain about Obama taking a vacation, yet no one said a word when Bush was gone for 4 months(was it?) to Texas). From what I've seen, Obama has the right idea, and I admit, he's alittle too careful.

Think of the rules of speeding. If you go too fast you get a ticket, but if you go too slowly you get one just the same. I think Obama is alittle overkill on the careful part, which I personally believe will improve later as large issues such as the mission regarding Osama are completed.

I feel people are way too harsh on Obama. It doesn't help that influencial and powerful people are against him since their puppet(bush) is no longer in power, and Obama are not allowing them to control him in the same manner, as such, they use plan B, spread dislike. And the huge portion of the population which have been reduced from regular citizens, to nothing but hypercapitalized arrogant consumers, who only think about what the nation can give them next, are eating it up, and as they do, so do their friends and family, and so does their friends and family, etc. etc. as more and more people agree that Obama has not done anything, and then there're the huge group of racists who plain old dislikes him cause he's black etc. etc. you know, the people who want his birth certificate and to tell them what religion he is and who initially called him a terrorist cause his name is close to sounding like Osama and Husein.

With SUCH a huge surge of dislike being spread, it is hard for him to do ANYTHING.

Think of a river, it's easier when the river agrees with you, you just lay flat on your back or stomach and the current carries you where you wanna go, and the river, your people, follow you willingly, cause they trust you.

Obama had a bad start RIGHT from the get go, cause now a democrat is in power, and the large corps dont like that one bit, so they've turned the current in the river. Obama is now struggling to wade up the river against the currents, trying to turn atleast alittle bit to go with him.

You can't deny that resistance breeds inaction, Joker.

It is foolish to think that a president just sits there and does nothing just cause he feels like it, that is a highly inaccurate and hastened assumption.

I personally believe that if people would give Obama a chance and not stand in his way at every turn, I think things would progress much faster.

That's why I trust him. I like Obama, and HECK of a lot more than Bush. Bush was not even a president in my opinion, there was even ALOT of speculation if the votes were tampered with to make him win. You probably remember that.

EDIT: And you say actions, tell me, what things has he done, to deserve the scrutiny and the hatred that he's subject to, hm? What could an honest and genuinely caring man like Obama possibly have done to deserve such a welcome to the seat of power?

[Jokersvirus]

Well I explained somewhere that hatred for Obama is missplaced.

[QUOTE]If so many people hated you and refused to take orders from you, then how could you do ANYTHING to help advance the war in your favor? Just an example.

I dont understand how your example makes any sense. If im the president and I give you an order and you dont follow it, you go to Prison. You dont disobey your command unless its an illegal order.


ALOT of people dislike him because they've been spoiled by Bush's blunt and careless approach to being a president. People liked it, eventhough most of the things he did on the side were pretty bad(People complain about Obama taking a vacation, yet no one said a word when Bush was gone for 4 months(was it?) to Texas). From what I've seen, Obama has the right idea, and I admit, he's alittle too careful.
Everyone hates Bush yet he was the one who dealt with 9/11 not Obama. When a new president comes into play the former president is always blamed. Without Bush we wouldnt have the Patriot Act which helps Federal law enforcement agencies, CIA and FBI for example to share information, without Bush and Congress we wouldnt have Homeland Security. Was Bush a little weird ya, but we as americans elected him we must have believed in him. I dont think he did a bad job, America is still here and not buring right?


Think of the rules of speeding. If you go too fast you get a ticket, but if you go too slowly you get one just the same. I think Obama is alittle overkill on the careful part, which I personally believe will improve later as large issues such as the mission regarding Osama are completed.
How do we know he took his time with the osama situation? We dont know anything about the operation but two things 1) Seal Team Six went into a Compound in Pakistan and 2) put a hole in Osama's head. There is no evidence to support he waited unless there is some articles that support your what you say.


I feel people are way too harsh on Obama. It doesn't help that influencial and powerful people are against him since their puppet(bush) is no longer in power, and Obama are not allowing them to control him in the same manner, as such, they use plan B, spread dislike. And the huge portion of the population which have been reduced from regular citizens, to nothing but hypercapitalized arrogant consumers, who only think about what the nation can give them next, are eating it up, and as they do, so do their friends and family, and so does their friends and family, etc. etc. as more and more people agree that Obama has not done anything, and then there're the huge group of racists who plain old dislikes him cause he's black etc. etc. you know, the people who want his birth certificate and to tell them what religion he is and who initially called him a terrorist cause his name is close to sounding like Osama and Husein.

Why are you blaming bush? What did he ever do to you, he ran the Country and atleast he kept his popularity ratings higher than Obama which is less than 20% if im not mistaken. If someone questions your birth right you dont sit there and screw around not giving them the information to shut them up You give them what they want and tell them to eat it. If someone questioned my citizenship or want my birth certificate i would gladly give it to them if i was in office. There is no reason to sit around and do nothing but jerk people around.

With SUCH a huge surge of dislike being spread, it is hard for him to do ANYTHING.
We the people are not preventing him from doing his job, Obama is preventing himself from doing his job but doing nothing, Congress plays a role and thats acceptable but we arent doing anything to stop him from preforming his duties as President.


Think of a river, it's easier when the river agrees with you, you just lay flat on your back or stomach and the current carries you where you wanna go, and the river, your people, follow you willingly, cause they trust you.
What? So your saying i should lay down and just take it from Obama so he can "Do his job?" The current doesnt take you where you wanna go it takes you where it wants to go, because if it was true to take you where you wanna go you would give it orders and it would follow them

Obama had a bad start RIGHT from the get go, cause now a democrat is in power, and the large corps dont like that one bit, so they've turned the current in the river. Obama is now struggling to wade up the river against the currents, trying to turn atleast alittle bit to go with him.

You can't deny that resistance breeds inaction, Joker.

It is foolish to think that a president just sits there and does nothing just cause he feels like it, that is a highly inaccurate and hastened assumption.


I personally believe that if people would give Obama a chance and not stand in his way at every turn, I think things would progress much faster. Again, how does giving obama a chance give progress a faster pace? That really doesnt make sense, I think you should direct that at Congress or Obama himself.


That's why I trust him. I like Obama, and HECK of a lot more than Bush. Bush was not even a president in my opinion, there was even ALOT of speculation if the votes were tampered with to make him win. You probably remember that.
Speculation is nothing more than opinion because someone didnt like him and started talking smack.

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And you say actions, tell me, what things has he done, to deserve the scrutiny and the hatred that he's subject to, hm? What could an honest and genuinely caring man like Obama possibly have done to deserve such a welcome to the seat of power?
Tell me what he has done for the good of this country and I think you will get your answer.

[LiNuX]

Everyone hates Bush yet he was the one who dealt with 9/11 not Obama. When a new president comes into play the former president is always blamed. Without Bush we wouldnt have the Patriot Act which helps Federal law enforcement agencies, CIA and FBI for example to share information, without Bush and Congress we wouldnt have Homeland Security. Was Bush a little weird ya, but we as americans elected him we must have believed in him. I dont think he did a bad job, America is still here and not buring right?


Wait, so CIA and FBI weren't supposed to share information before the PATRIOT ACT?

Both Agencies as well as the NSA have been doing everything in the PATRIOT ACT and more before the act was even written up. 9/11 just gave them the justification and excuse they needed to make it formal. Sure, they'll deny it, who wouldn't?




That's why I trust him. I like Obama, and HECK of a lot more than Bush.



Like them all you want, but never trust a politician.

One dude was supposed to donate $1 million to my high school library if he got reelected. He got reelected and the school didn't see a penny. He was even invited to my graduation to speak, he sent his aide.

DTA.

[Jokersvirus]

Wait, so CIA and FBI weren't supposed to share information before the PATRIOT ACT?

[QUOTE]Both Agencies as well as the NSA have been doing everything in the PATRIOT ACT and more before the act was even written up. 9/11 just gave them the justification and excuse they needed to make it formal. Sure, they'll deny it, who wouldn't?
What I have been taught in Homeland Security was it was ilegal for agencies to share information, or connect the dots. Ya we all know they were doing it, but still I go off the information ive learned.

[LiNuX]

What I have been taught in Homeland Security was it was ilegal for agencies to share information, or connect the dots. Ya we all know they were doing it, but still I go off the information ive learned.

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That's illogical. They were supposed to share info, they were obligated to. They just didn't. Even after the patriot act, they don't like they should.

The CIA Actually knew about 9/11 (the date, target, etc.) a few years before it was supposed to occur. But they never passed the info to the FBI properly. The CIA wanted to be the hero and stop the attack (which they clearly failed at) and the FBI wanted to gather their own intel and was too cocky to believe that national security could be compromised like that under their watch.

It's really sad tbh. The patriot act didnt' really do too much. There is something in writing now, but I bet there are a ton of info that both these agencies, as well as others, keep to themselves because they want to come out on top.

[Jokersvirus]

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That's illogical. They were supposed to share info, they were obligated to. They just didn't. Even after the patriot act, they don't like they should.

The CIA Actually knew about 9/11 (the date, target, etc.) a few years before it was supposed to occur. But they never passed the info to the FBI properly. The CIA wanted to be the hero and stop the attack (which they clearly failed at) and the FBI wanted to gather their own intel and was too cocky to believe that national security could be compromised like that under their watch.

It's really sad tbh. The patriot act didnt' really do too much. There is something in writing now, but I bet there are a ton of info that both these agencies, as well as others, keep to themselves because they want to come out on top.

Going off my professor who was FBI for 29 years said that there could be no sharing of information it was a Federal offense that could get you 15 years. FBI agent down in the south knew that people from the middle east were coming over to the US for training and that there was a big attack being planned in NYC.

[LiNuX]

Going off my professor who was FBI for 29 years said that there could be no sharing of information it was a Federal offense that could get you 15 years. FBI agent down in the south knew that people from the middle east were coming over to the US for training and that there was a big attack being planned in NYC.

He must have been talking about releasing classified info to civilians.

[Jokersvirus]

no he was talking about special agents and what not. They were not allowed to trade information between agencies or different departments

[LiNuX]

no he was talking about special agents and what not. They were not allowed to trade information between agencies or different departments

Ok. I still don't think it was illegal. These guys just didn't want to share info.

[Jokersvirus]

Im going off what he said and if he said it was illegal who am I to question it you know he was a federal agent for years so I have no reason to doubt what he says.