This is a little odd

[Jokersvirus]

I was messing around on facebook and the news channel i liked posted this
"If an officer illegally enters an Indiana home, the resident has no right to resist, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday. Thoughts?"

One of the viewers on this channel said it best
"I want to make sure people read this. A cop does NOT need a warrant to enter a residence. They need probable cause and just need to be able to justify in court why they entered. Basically what the court ruled too, for those who are too lazy to read the ruling, is if a cop illegally enters don't attack them physically. Sue the department. Remember, if you attack an officer even if it's an illegal entry you can still be arrested for assault on an officer. I'm not saying the ruling is right or that your 4A rights aren't important, just stating what people need to know."

There is already enough anti law enforcement feelings running around my city, im pretty sure this is another notch on that belt. I honestly dont believe an officer will illegal enter the home but I just dont understand the nature of the ruling and why it relative. People are freaking out now there is already a group to try and repeal this law, dont blame them.

Im honestly dumbfounded by this ruling. I havent heard anything like this on the news since ive been home and I see no justification to allow such a law.

[Fr0stByte]

its open to abuse, any crook can dress like a cop and enter someones home without them being able to do anything

[Jokersvirus]

Police officer or not if i feel threaten I will defend my castle, because thats my state law says, and even if it is a real police officer the charges would be dropped, I would think.

I would love to see some crook try that and I would love to see the video of them getting their face stomped in.

edit: Ok so talking to a friend of mine this ruling came out of an assault on an officer who illegally enter a home and the home owner beat him, not sure who won the fight but the home owner was charged with a felony. Interesting.

[Fr0stByte]

Police officer or not if i feel threaten I will defend my castle, because thats my state law says, and even if it is a real police officer the charges would be dropped, I would think.

I would love to see some crook try that and I would love to see the video of them getting their face stomped in.

as long as you dont harm them i dont see why not you should feel obliged to check their uniform is legit and see ID, and ask them to state their business before they enter the door

[SiC TwiSteD]

thats pretty ridiculous, if someone unknown to me enters my house without my knowledge of it, while im busy could get their ass beaten if they surprise me

[Saph]

If a cop knocks on my door and demands to enter my home I wont open the door until he slaps his badge against a window, and if that doesnt convince me, I want the phone number of his department, call, and ask if its true that he has any reason to enter my home.

If he's in my house without seeming cause, I will shove him out. I won't punch or kick etc. I'll simply begin pushing and tell him to **** off until he can prove to me that 1)he is whom he says he is and 2) Has a damned good reason to burst into my home.

If he begins to threaten my wife, child, or me with violence I dont care if he's a real cop or not, I'll stab his ****ing eyes out, dig into his skull, and pull his brains out like a friggin clam, cop or not, knife or not, I got ****ing nails. I will do whatever it takes to protect my wife and kids, and just cause a guy with a control issue who waves a piece of nickel that says the word Police on it, does not mean that I'll bend over and spread cheek for deeper ramming.

Cops are here to protect and serve, yes, and they do have more rights in certain areas than others, yes.

But to me, there is NO difference WHATSOEVER between a burglar in a genuine police uniform, and a burglar in shorts and t shirt. I'll kick the living crawling breathing **** out of them just the same if they enter my home, with my wife and kid in it, illegally, and threatens me with arrest or violence.

[Havoc]

You're such a hero Saph... ^.^

No but seriously... this is messed up.
United States have interesting laws, here in Germany, they'll knock first, even if they have an arrest warrant for your ass. Unless you messed up badly, but then they send the slightly heavier armed forces.

But I don't think cops can enter your home without a warrant here.
And if one does then I'd open a can of whoopass, beat up first, ask questions later.

[Saph]

*Kick the **** out of the cop*


"So.....why are you here again?"

[Muffincat]

I'm sure they would knock first... it's not like random cops are just going to barge into your house. They need "probable cause and just need to be able to justify in court why they entered," as the quote in Joker's post said... if they don't have probable cause, then

1. they won't enter
2. you will win in court

I highly doubt police officers will just burst into homes of people who aren't doing anything and then sue you if you attack them. It's probably because they want to be able to go into places without warrants where they know there is illegal activity happening and want to get in on it before they move or catch on that they've been noticed or something.

TL; DR: COPS ARE NOT GOING TO BURST INTO YOUR HOUSE AND THREATEN YOUR FAMILY

XD

[Jokersvirus]

Well while i was watching the news this morning what happened was an officer responded to a domestic violence situation and the home owner refused to allow the officer in so he came in anyway. Under those circustances I believe its justifable, even the 2 judges who dont agree with the ruling said they would have voted yes if it pretend to a situation of domestic violence.

Saph You shoving an officer is an automatic arrest for battery on an officer. Some states that is a felony. Doesnt matter if he is there legally or illegally you dont put your hands on an officer because that is asking for trouble. Its like me wanting to punch my brother in the mouth sometimes, he is my brother however he is a police officer and he would gladly arrest me.

As Much as as believe in the good of law enforcement and I Stand up for them, as seen on this forum in the past, you can never rule out the possibility of something like that happening. Hope for the best, expect the worse.

[Saph]

@Muffin

Cops are humans, humans can be corrupted.

Cops are humans, humans need money.

Cops could easily miss use their authority to gain easy access to somebodys house in order to steal or rob them.

[Ilyich Valken]

@Muffin

Cops are humans, humans can be corrupted.

Cops are humans, humans need money.

Cops could easily miss use their authority to gain easy access to somebodys house in order to steal or rob them.

To which extent they would then be sued, fired, arrested, de-merited, and most likely sent to jail.

[OWNT]

So confusing... Snake Eye's makes a good point :/... What the heck if it isn't a cop and is some criminal? It wouldn't be the first time a criminal "pretends" to be an officer. Yikes!

[Jokersvirus]

@Muffin

Cops are humans, humans can be corrupted.

Cops are humans, humans need money.

Cops could easily miss use their authority to gain easy access to somebodys house in order to steal or rob them.


Dont forget people complain 24/7 that police officers misuse their authority all the time when they were justified in their actions.

[Muffincat]

@Muffin

Cops are humans, humans can be corrupted.

Cops are humans, humans need money.

Cops could easily miss use their authority to gain easy access to somebodys house in order to steal or rob them.


To which extent they would then be sued, fired, arrested, de-merited, and most likely sent to jail.

This.

I addressed that possibility by saying that if they DID enter your home illegally, without probable cause, you would absolutely win in any court of law.

Cops may be jerks and corrupted sometimes, but they are not going to waltz into random people's homes and steal from them -_-;; If they're going to abuse their power, I'd think they would do it in a better way (the ways that corrupted people already use).

I'm really, really not concerned that some police officer is going to come into my home and start robbing me.