Why i love MMORPGS

[NathanielxWv4]

Ok kinda gay topic i know but I DO!!!

What do you guys think?

I love MMORPG because its not a simple "play through and win" kinda game. You can play them for years and never be **The Best** ( there is always someone better ). You have to take on quest that can last for hours which to me makes it really fun.


You need to set goals with-in MMORPG's because its not easy to aquire something. I kinda get annoyed when people pay for items and you have grafted for weeks to get but hey its the way the world works i guess. Do you guys feel the same way or just think there a waste of time because you could be spawn camping someone on COD?? ( lol )

[paecmaker]

MMOs is good if you think it like that but many MMOs got also very repetive tasks and hours of grinding. But If you only play PvP then Im shore that its funny.

im not much into mmo games and never been, I have tried wow but I want more story gameplay, so maybe I test TOR(the old republic)

[Havoc]

A gay topic indeed...

I've played several MMOs over the course of a couple of years, and I'm really glad I don't anymore. I've never played boring mainstream bullsh*t like WoW or EVE or Runescape, because they are honestly all replaceable palette swaps with zero new ideas and no creativity or base IQ requirement. Seen one seen all kind of thing. The first MMO I've played (and the first one to make a name for the genre) was Ultima Online.

I played it for quite some time because unlike WoW(and any other basic MMO) it had a great essence, it based on a long series of games, it had the best gameplay system to date and it was just huge.
Skills weren't the boring generic "buy skill book spend skill points" kind of thing, instead you could gain skill points by executing a specific skill like chopping wood, fighting, forging, stealing or even begging.
It was complex enough to keep anyone too young or too stupid away from the game.

Unlike any to-date MMO.
It's usually the community that ruins a good MMO, be it WoW with super no-life farmers, raging and flaming 15-year olds or others, or any F2P MMO like take LoL with idiots who can't grasp the concept of teamwork or any generic brand of "however you can screw up a game".

All MMOs, no matter if they are subscription based or Free, they are all built around the one single concept of getting players addicted fast and then keeping him at it to earn more and more money. It's a skinner box, really, nothing more.

There was even a paper published by some geek over at Microsoft, which explained in detail what MMOs do and to which end. But I can't find it right now.

So by now I put playing MMOs on the same shelf as consuming heroine or cocaine. There are simply no exceptions.(well there is guild wars... that's more like mary jane)

But I've mainly quit playing MMOs because they are all equally BORING.
I don't know, it may be fun for kids to have to do some daily chores and be rewarded with a flashy lvl up, but as an adult I don't see much appeal in working a second job for which I have to pay. If you're strong in mind you can get all enjoyment out of any MMO during the free trial, then just make sure you don't get hooked and get away with the free drug sample your hustler tossed you.

Sure there are exceptions like Guild Wars where you can run on a free IV after paying once, and there are games detached from the classic MMO style like League of Legends... which is more of a tactical/strategical "MMO". But it isn't really an MMO because there are never more than a handful of people playing one instance. It's more of a game with a massive lobby.

I've played Mabinogi NA and EU for a very long time and just because of it's cute Anime-style visuals and the non-standard combat system. It also had a nice story once and all chicks have huge boobs there.
Eventually I OD'ed on that... woke up in a hospital, went into rehab and never played it again.


And while I look back at the past with a deep disgust, I'm happy that I've been clean for quite some time now. I don't mind if people play MMOs, quite the opposite, I'm happy if they can enjoy it where I, cannot.
And me being a misanthropic person, I'm also quite happy if those things ruin their lives. xD


So yea, if you really, really LOVE MMORPGs, then you don't play them.
You marvel at them from afar, like at a beautiful girl out of your reach, and you witness how they draw thousands of poor, helpless souls into their endless cycle of intoxicating lvl-ups. Then you reflect upon your life, smile, give her another look and wander off into the sunset.

Or you know, something among those lines.




Do you guys feel the same way or just think there a waste of time because you could be spawn camping someone on COD?? ( lol )

Almost but not quite; I feel it's just a waste of time because you could be outside trying to have sex with girls.

[Saph]

(Please stop using the word "gay" as reffering to things you dislike, please, it's kind of offensive to select individuals.)

Sorry just had to mention it.

I do enjoy MMORPGs very much, and for over 10 years I practically didn't play any other games but MMORPGs (MxO, EQ2, WoW). WoW I played for 6 years, and I'm going back in a few weeks!

I agree with you that Category games(single player games etc.) Are too simplistic, and always have an 'end level' or 'end period' where you have access to the best of the best equipment wise, and all of the enemies are extremely powerful and challenging, and you finally kill the end guy who you really havn't had a hate relationship to at all, you just kill him cause you've been told to do so.

In MMORPGs, WoW especially, I feel a direct connection with the bad guys, due to the fantastic lore and storyline that follows in the backdraft of MMOs. For example in WoW, the bad guys, I mean the REAL nasties(tons of little guys too), were C'thun, Kil'jaeden, Sargeras, Lich King, Deathwing, Kael'thas, Illidan Stormrage. And every single one I WANTED to kill, VERY badly, because of the horrible attrocities that they had committed, and I actually felt a personal hatred towards them, and when I stood over their broken bodies with all of my friends, I felt a sense of achievement. Such a powerful and chaoticly evil creature had been slain by the power of me and my friends. How does that not elevate your spirits?

In single player? I don't get that feeling. I have an objective, and I complete it, end of discussion. Nothing personal, it's just business...Sounds almost assassin like doesn't it? Well, that's the feeling I get from single players.

A few single player games DID manage to engage me alittle more, such as Elder Scrolls, it really dragged me in! Another one is the Total War franchise, you really feel like a king or emperor in control of an entire nation!

Either way, yes, in my opinion, MMORPGs are the pinnacle of all video games, and is what I think ALL games will be like in the future. I don't think single player games will exist in the future, I think that ALL games will become a huge virtual world where you can actually live, breathe, taste, and smell inside of this world, and the genre? Well that depends on the game, wether it be a shooter or horror or RPG or strategy.

In my opinion, MMORPGs are the kings of the video game world.

[paecmaker]

@ Havoc, its just my oppinion and dont do something big about it, I wouldnt say that EVE is a mainstream game. first of all it doesnt apell to everyone, it is a very hard game that takes very long time to accually do something. Its one of the most hardcore MMOs I know.

a single player game that is a little like it is X3 the reunion.
Its probably one of the best space games I have played.

[Havoc]

Yea well I might have been aiming a little too high when I said EVE is mainstream... but by now its certainly more mainstream than it used to be ^^"

And X3 should be basically its own genre.

Still not saying that I don't like MMOs, just saying that they're bad for you. That's a fact in 90% of the cases. And
@Saph unfortunately you're kind of right about MMOs being the Kings of the video game world... but less in the sense of monarchy and more like... tyrants.
Because lets face it, that's all that will prevail of the PC gaming world, MMORPGs.
They're a steady influx of cash, they don't need to evolve, only expand, they're mostly immune to pirates. (except for the Private servers and such)

[Kenoi]

this ain't no gay topic. I don't judge. but yeah, I enjoy mmo's cause of leveling, including the quests & stuff like that. its a real time killer. when I need someplace to be at 9pm, I spend the time playing mmo's within that free time available. I enjoyed guild wars, but the thing I really dislike is that your friends stop playing all of a sudden, and when you decide to stop, they play it again.... thats the only dislike off of mmo's.

[paecmaker]

Yea well I might have been aiming a little too high when I said EVE is mainstream... but by now its certainly more mainstream than it used to be ^^"

And X3 should be basically its own genre.

Still not saying that I don't like MMOs, just saying that they're bad for you. That's a fact in 90% of the cases. And
@Saph unfortunately you're kind of right about MMOs being the Kings of the video game world... but less in the sense of monarchy and more like... tyrants.
Because lets face it, that's all that will prevail of the PC gaming world, MMORPGs.
They're a steady influx of cash, they don't need to evolve, only expand, they're mostly immune to pirates. (except for the Private servers and such)

Just adding, they are about the only games people will pay more than 40 euros to play.

[Saph]

this ain't no gay topic. I don't judge. but yeah, I enjoy mmo's cause of leveling, including the quests & stuff like that. its a real time killer. when I need someplace to be at 9pm, I spend the time playing mmo's within that free time available. I enjoyed guild wars, but the thing I really dislike is that your friends stop playing all of a sudden, and when you decide to stop, they play it again.... thats the only dislike off of mmo's.

Stop saying gay <.<

[Kenoi]

Stop saying gay <.<

I only said it once, you said it too. haha

[Switchblade]

I think mmorpg's are actually pretty good. I've played a few like wow, everquest and eve, and yet something came to me in a ray of light as I was browsing amazon a few years back. LOTRO - lord of the rings online. As soon as I played this, I thought omg, it has an epic huge storyline to play through along with side quests, amazing cutscenes, graphics are of a good quality and updates come frequently with new content. It plays through currently from all areas in eriador, through the mines of moria out into mikwood where you join an assault on Dol Goldur which houses some fearsome looking enemies. There's also a new update coming soon On the road to isenguard. On top of that, it's subscriptions aren't limited to pay monthly as they do a lifetime fee which I believe is currently only £70 or something for a limited time. I am addicted to it I have to admit. And being it has moved to free to play (with limited content as opposed to paying) you should at least read up and try it to see for yourselves :)

[Havoc]

Ok kinda gay topic i know but I DO!!!



He said it first!

I mean if you spend all day/week/month/year/life grinding a game instead of getting laid every day, that's pretty gay dude.
(Unless you're a homosexual and you're trying to get laid with other dudes, then that is technically gay, in the right way.)

And depending on whether you consider MMORPGs male or female, loving them can be just plain gay. Nothing wrong about that?

[CaptivatingBanana]

(Please stop using the word "gay" as reffering to things you dislike, please, it's kind of offensive to select individuals.)

This thread topic is very homosexual... very homosexual indeed.

[paecmaker]

very straight very straight indeed.


offtopic, why are people keep saying gay about something negative, its just wrong, people can be offended and it doesnt make any sense saying that.

[NathanielxWv4]

A gay topic indeed...

I've played several MMOs over the course of a couple of years, and I'm really glad I don't anymore. I've never played boring mainstream bullsh*t like WoW or EVE or Runescape, because they are honestly all replaceable palette swaps with zero new ideas and no creativity or base IQ requirement. Seen one seen all kind of thing. The first MMO I've played (and the first one to make a name for the genre) was Ultima Online.

I played it for quite some time because unlike WoW(and any other basic MMO) it had a great essence, it based on a long series of games, it had the best gameplay system to date and it was just huge.
Skills weren't the boring generic "buy skill book spend skill points" kind of thing, instead you could gain skill points by executing a specific skill like chopping wood, fighting, forging, stealing or even begging.
It was complex enough to keep anyone too young or too stupid away from the game.

Unlike any to-date MMO.
It's usually the community that ruins a good MMO, be it WoW with super no-life farmers, raging and flaming 15-year olds or others, or any F2P MMO like take LoL with idiots who can't grasp the concept of teamwork or any generic brand of "however you can screw up a game".

All MMOs, no matter if they are subscription based or Free, they are all built around the one single concept of getting players addicted fast and then keeping him at it to earn more and more money. It's a skinner box, really, nothing more.

There was even a paper published by some geek over at Microsoft, which explained in detail what MMOs do and to which end. But I can't find it right now.

So by now I put playing MMOs on the same shelf as consuming heroine or cocaine. There are simply no exceptions.(well there is guild wars... that's more like mary jane)

But I've mainly quit playing MMOs because they are all equally BORING.
I don't know, it may be fun for kids to have to do some daily chores and be rewarded with a flashy lvl up, but as an adult I don't see much appeal in working a second job for which I have to pay. If you're strong in mind you can get all enjoyment out of any MMO during the free trial, then just make sure you don't get hooked and get away with the free drug sample your hustler tossed you.

Sure there are exceptions like Guild Wars where you can run on a free IV after paying once, and there are games detached from the classic MMO style like League of Legends... which is more of a tactical/strategical "MMO". But it isn't really an MMO because there are never more than a handful of people playing one instance. It's more of a game with a massive lobby.

I've played Mabinogi NA and EU for a very long time and just because of it's cute Anime-style visuals and the non-standard combat system. It also had a nice story once and all chicks have huge boobs there.
Eventually I OD'ed on that... woke up in a hospital, went into rehab and never played it again.


And while I look back at the past with a deep disgust, I'm happy that I've been clean for quite some time now. I don't mind if people play MMOs, quite the opposite, I'm happy if they can enjoy it where I, cannot.
And me being a misanthropic person, I'm also quite happy if those things ruin their lives. xD


So yea, if you really, really LOVE MMORPGs, then you don't play them.
You marvel at them from afar, like at a beautiful girl out of your reach, and you witness how they draw thousands of poor, helpless souls into their endless cycle of intoxicating lvl-ups. Then you reflect upon your life, smile, give her another look and wander off into the sunset.

Or you know, something among those lines.




Almost but not quite; I feel it's just a waste of time because you could be outside trying to have sex with girls.

To cap this off, i live with my Girlfriend of 3 years, not addicted to games in the slightest, just like the euphoria of it, Oh and BTW i dont have to go out to get sex ;) so looks like i got the perfect set up.

[Havoc]

very straight very straight indeed.


offtopic, why are people keep saying gay about something negative, its just wrong, people can be offended and it doesnt make any sense saying that.


And how is this topic negative? This is all about LOVE for MMOs...
Since when is LOVE negative? This topic is gay, about love and happiness.
U have a very depressing attitude ma friend >.<


@Nathan
Good for you :D But I'm not buying your not-addicted thing. Technically that is.

[Switchblade]

Wow, such riveting convos going on :D

[paecmaker]

And how is this topic negative? This is all about LOVE for MMOs...
Since when is LOVE negative? This topic is gay, about love and happiness.
U have a very depressing attitude ma friend >.<


@Nathan
Good for you :D But I'm not buying your not-addicted thing. Technically that is.

yup, I am a very depressed soul.

[NathanielxWv4]

And how is this topic negative? This is all about LOVE for MMOs...
Since when is LOVE negative? This topic is gay, about love and happiness.
U have a very depressing attitude ma friend >.<


@Nathan
Good for you :D But I'm not buying your not-addicted thing. Technically that is.

I work 9-5 5 days aweek, i play on the weekends, thanks ;)

[Havoc]

yup, I am a very depressed soul.


Want a hug? ^_^

[NathanielxWv4]

Want a hug? ^_^


Now that is Gay ;) :P

[Jaykub]

Please respect our users! Next person to say it gets an infraction and the thread gets closed.

[NathanielxWv4]

I got an infranction for my last post, so i must appolagise, just hope everyone else got an infranction!!

Sorry everyone who it may of offended.

[Jaykub]

I got an infranction for my last post, so i must appolagise, just hope everyone else got an infranction!!

Sorry everyone who it may of offended.

I didn't see anyone else using the word after being asked to stop. Please read our rules and this won't happen again. Try not to offend anyone.


PS: its only a warning not an infraction.

[NathanielxWv4]

I believe my post was before you said to stop, just like everyone else's. also i have 2 PM's, and one is an infraction and one is an Warning...

[Jaykub]

Saph has asked everyone to stop twice.

Also it appears it did give you an infraction and a warning. The infraction has been reversed.

[NathanielxWv4]

Appreciated. I couldnt help it, but i will from now on :D.

[Saph]

Alright to round some offtopic spats off here:

1) Sex and Games are 2 completely different ball leagues. Fact of the matter is that some have girlfriends/boyfriends, while others don't. Wether you get laid or not doesn't make you any more or less cool than someone who doesn't. That's one of the many things wrong with this world, the universal opinion that having sex regularly makes you cooler than the one who doesn't.
And I bet that someone is gonna say "you're just angry cause you don't get laid". As a matter of fact, I do, being married, and having a kid, I simply know right from wrong, and I'm sure you all do as well, so let's agree on the fact that claiming you're any more socially accepted for having intercourse than someone who doesn't, is rediculous, and immature.

2) Claiming that things are 'gay' when they suck. This is insultive to alot of people, since it makes their sexual prefferences sound negative, when it is infact no such thing. Being gay, bi, or straight, or whatever, should not reflect any negative or scrutinizing words or feelings. This is a forum, and I'll be very surprised if there isn't a rule stating that offending other members is an infraction. I'm also sure that some of you say 'gay' just cause it so happens that it's the first word that pops into your head, and you have a built in reaction to think of the word gay as something negative, I can only blame that on modern society, and partly, to a much lesser degree, on your upbringing, no insult intended, but it is psychologically valid. I am bi, and I know for a fact that there're people on this forum who're bi or gay as well, and I doubt they agree with using the word explaining their sexual prefference, in a negative manner. Just like it would probably be insultive to you if someone said "Dude you suck you're such a gamer!" or "That's so straight man". I know that sounds rediculous, and no one say it, but gay just picked the short end of the straw, and influencial people

AKA the church

have just hung it up as being something bad.

[CaptivatingBanana]

Yo enough with the gay-bashing and gay-defending, that's not what the thread's about!!

[Havoc]

Please respect our users! Next person to say it gets an infraction and the thread gets closed.

So does Saph get 6 infractions for his last post? He used the G-Word 6 times.

I also find his reaction to the whole g** (yea I don't want an infraction) thing totally over-the-top and a little intolerant.

The g-word is first an foremost:


gay

   [gey] adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective 1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.

2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.

3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.

4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.



once you get down to number five:



5. homosexual.


So strictly assuming that EVERYBODY who uses the word is immediately describing something negative while referring to the homosexual community, is just a plain ignorant and narrow-minded thing to do.

On the other hand when anybody says stuff like "This is retarded..."(etc.)
nobody rises a red flag and doesn't give a crap, even though the r-word is much worse and using it is basically a kick to the face for every handicapped (mentally or physically) person in the entire world.
It has only one degrading meaning and is being thrown around like confetti, while g** can mean many things but is, in our human ignorance, hastily associated with the most convenient meaning to start an argument over.

That is to say I love the homosexual community, I love their antidarwinistic attitude and am convinced they make the world a brighter place. I don't even hesitate to act slightly homosexual with some of my buddies if it leads to a humorous effect or causes entertaining discomfort to them.

Seriously? Guys?



And to get back to the topic and get your minds straight:
5 Creepy Ways Video Games Are Trying to Get You Addicted | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html)

[Jayhmmz]

The fact of the matters is, hardly anybody uses the word to describe something as happy any more, and it is always used to describe something negative. Every single multi-player game I play, the word is used to call somebody, or to describe the way in which something happened was not right. If they want to be even worse, and even more of a stupid, dumb-ass child, then they say the alternative F word. (and no, not ****.)

Whoever says the F word are just absent minded arse holes. I feel sorry for one of my friends that I game with, because when we play Call of Duty or anything else with comms, people are throwing these words around like it's nobodies business, and with him being gay, it's just depressing for him, and it makes me angry.

[Saph]

So does Saph get 6 infractions for his last post? He used the G-Word 6 times.

I also find his reaction to the whole g** (yea I don't want an infraction) thing totally over-the-top and a little intolerant.



The word in itself is not negative, and it is exactly the attitude that you show above that I personally find over the top and intolerant.

I don't use the word gay to reflect on negativity, I just used it in an explanatory way. And let me ask you why it's so hard for you to just accept the fact that it offends me? Why do we have to begin the "Well his values are ****ed up too so let's call him out on that?"

The word gay as used in a negative manner offends me, deal with it.

EDIT: And it's funny you ACTUALLY counted! XD

Either way, I proved my point, and I hope everyone understands where I come from with it. I'll drop this topic now and let the thread go back to the topic it was made for :p Im kinda responsible for actually starting this whole spat, but I just don't like hearing it used in that way so often every single day -.- Just hope you guys can understand.

[NathanielxWv4]

I never ment to start anything like this by saying "G**" i just ment, its a bit "cheesy" it does sucks that society has made us belive G** = Negative but thats the way the world is, if i was speaking my topic i would of said it in the exact same way with no Offence ment. I used it in a way of meaning "Girly" so sorry for that.