The Elder Scrolls - What happened to my freedom?

[DarkSideDK]

Hey guys, don't know if I'm the only ones who has been annoyed by this, but I played Morrowind on my old Xbox back in the days, and I was so addicted to constantly improving my character and deciding other peoples destiny that I have easiely logged in over 200 hours of gameplay. And I was so obsessed about getting strong enough to be able to take on Vivec hand to hand and then kill him. I've probably played almost as much Oblivion and are well on the way in Skyrim as well. lol

But the freedom in Oblivion and Skyrim has decreased so much from Morrowind. I mean the immortal key character thing is one thing that annoys the hell out of me, but that they decided to downgrade enchantments and spellmaking the way they did is just mindbaffling to me.

In Morrowind, you could (if you had enough money) make a fire ball that killed almost everyone in a city if you used it! And you could kill anyone you didn't like, and if they were a part of a quest, then too bad, you had to live with the consequences. (probably why I never got around to completing the main quest with one of my characters LOL)

Am I the only one who thinks this way?

Oh, and where the hell is my levitation and jump spell?

[DarkSideDK]

This guy has written a very nice article/blog about the topic.

Destructoid - bustaballs's Community Blog (http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/bustaballs/skyrim-is-a-huge-disappointment-216058.phtml)

Hoping to get some replies from you guys.

[paecmaker]

I loved Morrowind and also enjoyed Oblivion. I think I wil still enjoy Skyrim(havnt played it) but I also think it has been to simple. That the lands have been smaller is only to blame on consoles, they cant have enourmous lands that are as detailed as Skyrim but ten times bigger. Also I think that most games today are so kind, I want them to be more like witcher 2(blood sex and violence as it should be, its not a kind world we are playing in, its war and the world is full of monsters AND its in the middle ages(or a fantasy version of it))

[Nezhul]

Hm... This is interesting. I think they're trying to make it so that you don't "break" the game, but... I'm sure that people will make mods for skyrim so you can make those enchantments/spells...

[DarkSideDK]

Well I'm playing Skyrim on my Xbox, so I won't have that luxury. hehe Don't get me wrong, I've had Skyrim for 3 weeks now, and I've played it like crazy. I think I'm level 43 or something now. It's a very good game, but it just don't have alot of the things that appealed so much to me in Morrowind. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of DLC is coming for game.

I think you're right about the "not being able to ruin your main quest" thing, and I'm sure it's an attempt to make the game more streamlined and easy on the player. But you just don't feel in control of your own epic rpg when you can't even kill a random farmer because he has to say something important to say about the main quest later in the game.

[CraeSC111]

I thought morrowind was the best game. Haven't played skyrim yet and I'm still hoping to. Oblivion was fun and I loved the graphics but I felt I had to stay on the main story path. In morrowind I could play for days and not do the main quest. Morrowind was fun and it definitely was more of an RPG than oblivion. Also who here has played a pen and paper RPG?

[DarkSideDK]

I thought morrowind was the best game. Haven't played skyrim yet and I'm still hoping to. Oblivion was fun and I loved the graphics but I felt I had to stay on the main story path. In morrowind I could play for days and not do the main quest. Morrowind was fun and it definitely was more of an RPG than oblivion. Also who here has played a pen and paper RPG?

I also think that Morrowind is the best game in the ES series.

I used to play alot of P&P when I was a little kid :)

[Mordry]

I don't like Morrowind because of it's Gameplay, I'm someone who want to really hit someone if I cast a spell or punch him straight in his face. Other than that I didn't liked the story that much either.

I prefer Oblivion / Skyrim.

Don't understand that wrong: I love P&P RPGs like Drakensang but I just don't like Morrowind.

[CraeSC111]

*gasps* Morrowind was amazing! I miss my full armor set and ridiculous spells.

[Trunks]

*gasps* Morrowind was amazing! I miss my full armor set and ridiculous spells.

Heard you the first time...



I never played Morrowind, but I thought oblivion was fun. I use to play it all the time until I eventually got bored of it. Skyrim was just an improvement of that game, huge improvement. Not playing morrowind, I guess I don't mind them changing the game, sounds like they took the OP spells out to me. Also, I don't know why you'd want to kill a quest giver, I'd be pissed if I played a game and killed one of the main quest givers for the main story. I'd have to start all the way over, I'd never want to play a game like that.

[paecmaker]

I loved Morrowind, and then I barerly came anywhere on the main quest. what I loved about morrowind was that it were fun to explore the world. It was an interesting world in witch you could find really strange things like tempels old city ruins and so on.

On that point I didnt think Oblivion did so good, the world were beautiful but not as interesting, also you already knew of the bigger cities and could go there in the beginning. In morrowind you had to travel there(they had a "taxi" system though so you didnt need to travel on foot, always).

[CraeSC111]

The taxi system was actually pretty limited. You could really only travel to the larger cities and it cost gold. I miss the jump spells. They were hilariously fun and not always useful

[paecmaker]

The taxi system was actually pretty limited. You could really only travel to the larger cities and it cost gold. I miss the jump spells. They were hilariously fun and not always useful

ahh yes, the jump spells jumping across half the world in a few seconds :p

About the taxi system. What I liked was exactly the limited use of them, you could take them to cities and villages(and different taxis could only go to some places) but the rest you had to explore yourself.

[CraeSC111]

And it costs gold, which you got by stealing silverware

[paecmaker]

And it costs gold, which you got by stealing silverware

Or by picking flowers :p

[CraeSC111]

I usually just stored those in some container somewhere. When I got grandmaster alchemy gear I came back and made epic potions.

[DarkSideDK]

Heard you the first time...



I never played Morrowind, but I thought oblivion was fun. I use to play it all the time until I eventually got bored of it. Skyrim was just an improvement of that game, huge improvement. Not playing morrowind, I guess I don't mind them changing the game, sounds like they took the OP spells out to me. Also, I don't know why you'd want to kill a quest giver, I'd be pissed if I played a game and killed one of the main quest givers for the main story. I'd have to start all the way over, I'd never want to play a game like that.

It's not that I would want to specifically kill a quest character, I'm just saying it would be nice to have the possibility. I like to have that kind of power to influence the world around me in games. And I think it's so important to your sense of freedom in what the game allows you to do.

[kitch2012]

In Morrowind, you could (if you had enough money) make a fire ball that killed almost everyone in a city if you used it! And you could kill anyone you didn't like, and if they were a part of a quest, then too bad, you had to live with the consequences. (probably why I never got around to completing the main quest with one of my characters LOL)