If Xbox or Sony ban used games, will you buy it still?

[thedeparted]

This topic comes from the rumor that Xbox will require online to activate keys for new games and the key will be rendered useless after 1 user activation. Put this on the Sony rumors. I must say if this does happen I will support neither console, this is anti-consumer behavior and I would not be shocked at all if a class action lawsuit was brought up in the USA, in the EU its a guarantee.

[Trunks]

I probably won't be investing in them if this happens. I already put a bunch of money down on my PC, so I'll be sticking with it.

[Mizel]

I agree with you Trunks. I'll be sticking to PC only if that happens.

[thedeparted]

If this happens im kinda screwed too

Wii U; Likely wont have enough games for me
Vita: is dead
3DS; I mean yeah, but do I want my main gaming on a handheld
PC; would need to save up money for a new desktop, but most viable option I suppose. Dat Sim City 5 :D

[BlackEyedJester]

I only buy new games after learning that the Dev's don't earn anything from used game sales. Though, I do think it's a bad idea, I know of alot of people who don't have the money to throw at High end titles, when they can easily get the same game a few days after release for alot less.

[Mizel]

Makes me think of everything else that would happen.... I bet a lot of game stores would go out of business.... people outta jobs...

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I dont EVER buy games new. Like... literally, ever.

[BlackEyedJester]

That's not necessarily true, I'm pretty sure like GameStop and other Preowned selling stores sell old Nintendo/GBC/PS1/Other old console games. So I think they wouldn't close anytime soon.

[Mizel]

I think they'll lose a LOT of profit and probably end up closing quite a few stores. I don't think the entire franchise would go under or anything. But yea.

[egg-whites333]

I will stay with pc for sure if this happens, because used games are the way I go.

[Mizel]

Yes.... "used" games... *wink*wink* xD

[thedeparted]

That's not necessarily true, I'm pretty sure like GameStop and other Preowned selling stores sell old Nintendo/GBC/PS1/Other old console games. So I think they wouldn't close anytime soon.

Gamestops dont really tend to hold onto older product after the console is dead. Thats why you would see for xbox, gamecube and ps2 buy 2 used and get 1 or 2 free. Other used game stores, they are around and most will stick around but the market is niche. Also gamestop is forked in the fact that people buy for 60, bring it back in 2-3 weeks, gamestop buys it for 41 or so and resells it for 55. Thats assuming ps4/xbox will still by 60 next gen

[egg-whites333]

Yes.... "used" games... *wink*wink* xD

In that sentance I really did mean used, but I see where you were going

[thedeparted]

Theres a used game market for PC?

[Mizel]

Not that I know of lol

[ROFLBRYCE]

Theres a used game market for PC?

Sometimes you can find used game stores that sell them. I only know of one that does, but they won't take anything newer than 2000 or so. That's about the point where they started linking CD keys with accounts, and it's too much of a hassle to sell games to people they can't play.


I really hope that Xbox doesn't go the EA route. If they did, I don't see how. There's a huge amount of people they'd be screwing over with that, who have never connected their 360 to the internet. I don't think I'd bother with them. It's a hassle enough as it is with one company, let alone every game. I'd just be spending that $300-500 on my PC.

[egg-whites333]

There is not much, but I was meaning more PC wise because steam games get cheap as dirt if you wait for the right time, in the end PC makes it cheaper for that reason.

[thedeparted]

There is not much, but I was meaning more PC wise because steam games get cheap as dirt if you wait for the right time, in the end PC makes it cheaper for that reason.

Buying cheap games on Steam/GOG or whatever service isnt the same as used games jesus christ batman.

[Trunks]

According to the the Steam ToS. You don't own any of the games you bought on steam, you're simply renting them. At anytime they are allowed to revoke the games or close your account.

[Mizel]

Really? Wow, that sucks... lol What's the point of paying for something if you don't own it? D:

[Trunks]

Yeah, I think it's kinda crappy too, that's why anytime I can I'll try to buy the physical copy of the game, but those steam deals are too awesome sometimes.

[Mizel]

Lol Inorite... that's what always sucks me in. And I love how easy Steam makes it to play games with other people.

[Trunks]

I mean I don't think they'll ever screw you over unless you do something wrong. It just kind of sucks knowing if steam ever goes bankrupt or something, then all the games go away. Or if they wanted to do D bags and make you pay a monthly fee. You couldn't play any of your games anymore or get a refund for them back.

[Mizel]

Yea exactly. I'd def be worried about them going under or something else. Not really worried about them screwing anyone. Gabe's too awesome for that ;)

[CraeSC111]

But what happens if Gabe goes away?that's when the world will actually ebd

[egg-whites333]

Well duh... I was meaning my cheap games on ps3 were used, but steam makes up for the lack of used PC games.

This did not quote jak for some reason, and I'm to lazy to get the quote right now.

[paecmaker]

If its true the problem is not buying used games for me. However if it needs constant connection(like the rumor thinks) and relies much on downloadables I dont think I will buy the new xbox as my connection is not good enough(aka very unstable).

[thedeparted]

Well duh... I was meaning my cheap games on ps3 were used, but steam makes up for the lack of used PC games.

This did not quote jak for some reason, and I'm to lazy to get the quote right now.

Tis not my fault you couldnt properly communicate your thoughts with the rest of the class

[Ziek88]

They wouldn't get any money from me that's for sure. I don't think they would ever actually do this though. Microsoft would lose money. They profit from all the xbox live subscriptions, not the actual sale of games. They need a huge game library to make their online service enticing enough for consumers to pay for it. If games were no longer available used that would effectively force anyone who wanted to buy a game buy it new and while people still would the number of people who are willing to shell out 60 bucks for a game would not be 100%. They would lose customers. As for Sony, well, I don't really have a reason for Sony. They seem to like keeping things cheap?

[Trunks]

Well Microsoft released this yesterday.

"Microsoft does not comment on rumours or speculation," said a Microsoft spokesperson.

"We are always thinking about what is next for our platform, but we don't have anything further to share at this time."

Thanks Microsoft, you're so helpful....

[Ziek88]

Microsoft + Helpful < Odds of me winning the lottery (I don't buy a ticket)


Well Microsoft released this yesterday.

"Microsoft does not comment on rumours or speculation," said a Microsoft spokesperson.

"We are always thinking about what is next for our platform, but we don't have anything further to share at this time."

Thanks Microsoft, you're so helpful....

[thedeparted]

Well Microsoft released this yesterday.

"Microsoft does not comment on rumours or speculation," said a Microsoft spokesperson.

"We are always thinking about what is next for our platform, but we don't have anything further to share at this time."

Thanks Microsoft, you're so helpful....

Thats their standard response. It makes sense for them, but im the consumer. I demand and answer

[ROFLBRYCE]

Thats their standard response. It makes sense for them, but im the consumer. I demand and answer

Everyone wants an answer. But that doesn't drive speculation, and interest. If they said "Here's everything to know about our console" there would be a month of nonstop buzz, then every other day leading up to the release would be along the lines of "You already know whats in it why isn't it out? Classic Microsoft screwing us over again."


Thanks Microsoft, you're so helpful....

Well, they aren't saying "Yup that's all true" either.



Not trying to come off as a Microsoft fanboy. I enjoy PS3 and Wii as well, and I'd be backing them up for the same reasons. All we can do is wait for some more info to come out, or at least be verified, and try to keep cool about it. Can't be raising the pitchforks before they have a chance to speak.

[Trunks]

I wasn't bashing them or anything, I was just saying. Typical answer from a corporation, Sony does the same thing.

[thedeparted]

I read a rumor that they might reveal the Durango a month after Sony just before E3. So could be soonish

[Kenoi]

still a rumor? you sure? if it did happen though, I'm prepared (at least I hope so) to get a gaming desktop. purchasing all my games on Steam. haha

[Dorrman]

50% of my game discs were played by my neighbor, they going to make it illegal? :lipsrsealed:

[egg-whites333]

you really did not read much Dorrman, did you? What will most likely happen in this scenario is you wont be able to play online, nothing more then what EA does, but its still annoying.

[EpsilonX]

I refuse to buy a console that doesn't play used games. Why? A lot of times I don't have the money to buy a game when it comes out, and i'm not really into games like Call of Duty where they keep making new copies for years and years to come. The games I like to play oftentimes go out of print after a relatively short amount of time, and I don't have the money to buy games when they come out. Even if I did, lots of times I don't find out about a game until after it goes out of print.

edit: wow, 4 pages...I didn't realize that there were so many posts on this topic lol. I didn't read them all (obviously) so if this has already been discussed, my bad.

[Mizel]

I refuse to buy a console that doesn't play used games. Why? A lot of times I don't have the money to buy a game when it comes out

This is exactly how I feel. I don't see why they would punish people for not being able to afford $60 per new game... If they give a shiz that much about it, then maybe they should replace Gamestops or whatever with Sony stores so they can still make profit off of used games >_<

[CraeSC111]

But the problem with that is Sony would have to pay for the buildings and the extra staff. Probably wouldn't be that profitable

[Mizel]

But at the same time, no one buying their systems or games if they go through with this wont be either ;P

[Trunks]

But the problem with that is Sony would have to pay for the buildings and the extra staff. Probably wouldn't be that profitable

If its profitable for gamestop, what would make it not be profitable for sony or any other company?

[CraeSC111]

Sony would have to buy more stores and hire more people. That alone would be too big of an investment when they could instead make people buy online passes (or whatever they are calling the new thing). Plus they would have to compete with game stores that are already well established like GameStop. Much more profitable supply GameStop with games

[thedeparted]

Considering Sony just sold their NY office for 1 billion(700 million net after loans and such on it) I dont think they are too interested in getting in more reality

[Mizel]

Sony officially isn't blocking used games. Well... at least they're *denying* those reports.

"In response to a question by Eurogamer, Yoshida said "[Consumers] purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation," before declaring "Used games can play on PS4." "

PlayStation 4 won't block used games, says Sony | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/21/4012138/playstation-4-wont-block-used-games-says-sony)

[Draelthalas]

Sony Wont be doing this thankfully, It was confirmed with the ps4 Release that they arent using that patent.

[Mizel]

That's what I just said :p lol

[Chesterfields]

I love my XBox, but I usually buy used games so if it sucks I'm not out $60+. No used games would be enough to switch me to PC gaming forever. I wish Microsoft would clear things up like Sony has.

[Trunks]

It's safe to assume that Microsoft won't be doing this, it would be horrible marketing considering that Sony already confirmed they will not.

[ItsOnlyNOX]

That will be so ****ed up imo. I buy a lot of **** from gamestop.

[Assassin14]

Why ban used games i see no purpose in such things , this will obviously increase profits but it is not reasonable to the consumer. But who doesnt love the smell of a new game ::-):p So its basically a catch 22 ... in my case:)

[M0LT3N]

I probably won't be investing in them if this happens. I already put a bunch of money down on my PC, so I'll be sticking with it.

agreed. i would hate for used games to be unusable though.

[rs2account]

I select the Anti-Consumer practices are bad mmmkay

[EpsilonX]

What if you get a new game, play it for a bit and absolutely hate it. If that game can't be played on another system, it then goes to waste.

[Mizel]

Yea, but the companies don't care about that lol They got the initial cost for the game which is all they care about :P

[Trunks]

Well it's pretty much confirmed that this won't happen. Sony already confirmed that used games will still be playable, Microsoft has said basically nothing about anything. But it would be economic suicide if Microsoft chose to ban used games. So safe to say this won't happen in this generation.

[Mizel]

Well it's pretty much confirmed that this won't happen. Sony already confirmed that used games will still be playable, Microsoft has said basically nothing about anything. But it would be economic suicide if Microsoft chose to ban used games. So safe to say this won't happen in this generation.

Agreed. I was pretty sure from the very beginning nothing would ever become of this. No company is that stupid.

[EpsilonX]

Well yeah, but it's still something that could be worth discussing. It may happen in the future, just not this generation

[Mizel]

Oh yea, I agree. I didn't mean it wasn't a good conversation. I just find it amusing that so many people everywhere just heard this rumor and assumed it was true right off the bat and flipped out lol

[jaxxisyourfix]

I normally stick to PC anyway, but I never really buy used games on PS3 or Xbox. Although I do think it's lame that they're doing this because there are a lot of people who need to save money by buying used. They're just money-hungry jerks if they go through with this.

[CraeSC111]

They already do it on the PC. its called DRM. :p

[jaxxisyourfix]

Everyone knows that **** doesn't work. That's why we still get tons of PC games free... ;)

[NextGenerationGaming]

They are losing money on the used games and could use the money from us buying new games to make the cost of the systems lower... Hopefully...

[Mizel]

They are losing money on the used games and could use the money from us buying new games to make the cost of the systems lower... Hopefully...

I doubt this happening would lower the system cost, but who knows. And if so, it would most likely be by $50 or so, which is less than the cost of one single new game anyways :/

I'd rather pay $300 for a console and have the ability to buy used games for $10-25 for example than pay $250 for the console and $60 per each new game. If you buy 6 games a year @ $60, that's $360. Used, that's only like $60-$150.... which is LOT of savings. A lot more than they'd reduce the initial console price for, I imagine D:

Come to think of it, I honestly can not think of the last game I bought for a console that wasn't used lol