Xbox Reveal TODAY!

[ROFLBRYCE]

So the new Xbox reveal is today. It's a live stream through their site at 10AM PST, so that's 1PM for you guys on the east coast. Check it out if you can!

Watch it here (http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/hub/)

[Trunks]

Wow they killed it, I was not expecting this lol. A lot of pretty awesome features. Before this I was sure I was getting the PS4, but now I'm not so sure. The Xbox One definitely has better features in almost all aspects, but I think Sony has a lot better exclusives. Though they did say 8 of the 15 exclusives for Xbox are new.

IDK, hard decisions on which one I want, may have to wait until E3 to decide.

[ROFLBRYCE]

I'm kinda stuck. They're pushing everything to their cloud service, and I'm not sure if it's something I want. I don't think they said it was gonna be always-online, but I didn't hear them say it wasn't gonna be. That's gonna be the deciding factor for me, but it looks amazing.

CoD Ghosts engine looks amazing too, I think I might actually pick it up lol.

[Trunks]

I'm always online anyway, they didn't announce that it was going to be free this time around so I'm assuming it's still going to have a price. That's one of the big things for me.

But yeah, Ghost looked amazing, I've always been a huge CoD fan, so this is just icing on the cake for me lol.

[ROFLBRYCE]

Yeah they said the were "Expanding the Xbox Live we are currently familiar with" So I'm thinking it's still $60/yr. The only issue I have with the online only is what happens during an internet outage or something? And for those without internet too, they're getting kinda screwed over.

Yeah Ghosts is the first one I've been excited for since Blops. MW3 and BO2 didn't really give me any "wow!" factor, but this looks promising.

[thedeparted]

Nothing worthwhile was said here. /yawn

[Trunks]

For those that didn't watch it and want some heads up.

System Specs:
http://abload.de/img/xbox7lazcs.png
Basically the new system is called the Xbox One. Every console will come with a kinect and it's way advanced compared to the one for the 360. The system can be completely run by voice other than games. The console turns on by voice, as well as able to change TV inputs by your voice. The motion sensor by the Kinect has been enhanced and can detect more precise movement such as wrist and shoulder movements. Basically the Xbox has been turned into a universal remote based around the Kinect. You're able to use IE while watching movies/playing games or watching TV as well as use other apps from Microsoft.

They upgraded the amount of servers used for Xbox Live from something of 30,000 to 300,000. Everything seems to be based off the Cloud now, multilayer games should run smoother as well becasue of the increase in the number of servers.

Downside is that they didn't get to so much for games. They have 15 exclusives being released in the first year of release. 8 of them are franchises, so it's hard to say how good or bad it is. Forza 5 will be available at console release. They talked about exclusive content for EA games and the CoD franchise as well.

IMO as far as features go, Microsoft as Sony beat easy. But Sony has way more popular exclusives.

Might have missed a few things, those are what stood out to me though.

[Ziek88]

I read somewhere that it wasn't backwards compatible at all and they were implementing a fee to use a disc that has been previously used. I could live with the loss of backwards compatibility but if they follow through with the pre-used fee I will not be purchasing their product. Not only is this a big "F!@# You" to any game store that isn't Gamestop it really hinders their customers. Their customers will now no longer be able to save a few bucks by purchasing used games thus making this system unaffordable for some families. Beyond that, say you got a game and you're going to a friends house and you and your friend want to play it together. Pack up your xbox cause technically you are now re-using that game in a different system.

The actual fee has not yet been announced from what I can tell and how they will implement it. It has been stated as an "additional charge" which hopefully worst case scenario means you have to pay say an extra $5 on your account a year or something to use preowned games.

This is a definite concern I have though and I'll be watching to see how it develops. It will definitely be a large factor in whether I invest in their products.

I want to be wrong on this.

[ROFLBRYCE]

I read somewhere that it wasn't backwards compatible at all and they were implementing a fee to use a disc that has been previously used. I could live with the loss of backwards compatibility but if they follow through with the pre-used fee I will not be purchasing their product. Not only is this a big "F!@# You" to any game store that isn't Gamestop it really hinders their customers. Their customers will now no longer be able to save a few bucks by purchasing used games thus making this system unaffordable for some families. Beyond that, say you got a game and you're going to a friends house and you and your friend want to play it together. Pack up your xbox cause technically you are now re-using that game in a different system.

The actual fee has not yet been announced from what I can tell and how they will implement it. It has been stated as an "additional charge" which hopefully worst case scenario means you have to pay say an extra $5 on your account a year or something to use preowned games.

They said no backwards compatibility, but they denied the "fee to play used games" rumors. They said they want customers to be able to sell and buy pre-played games, and will allow it.

They haven't announced the annual fee for "gold" or whatever they'll call their service yet, but they said it will carry over from Xbox 360 and can be used on both consoles. I'm thinking it's gonna stay $60/year.




Everyone's gotta remember too, this whole event was to announce the Xbox. Not show games, and gameplay. They showed off some of the fancy new things for casual gamers and Regular Joe that wants to watch BluRays/TV and play a game here and there. The games and actual content the gamers are waiting to see will be at E3. It'd be kinda stupid for them to lay all their cards on the table ~3 weeks away from the years biggest gaming expo.

[Ziek88]

They said no backwards compatibility, but they denied the "fee to play used games" rumors. They said they want customers to be able to sell and buy pre-played games, and will allow it.

That is a good thing. I was sifting through articles and couldn't find that info but I don't doubt it's there somewhere.

I do know I won't be buying the first wave. Every new microsoft product has a pretty failtastic round one haha.

[ROFLBRYCE]

That is a good thing. I was sifting through articles and couldn't find that info but I don't doubt it's there somewhere.

I do know I won't be buying the first wave. Every new microsoft product has a pretty failtastic round one haha.

Yeah I'm kinda stuck with which I'm gonna buy. The new Xbox looks amazing as an entertainment hub, but it all comes down to what Sony shows off at E3, and what the games/exclusives at launch are. I'm thinking I'll be buying it around this time next year. Partly for the bugs to be worked out, partly cause I might be able to pay it off with my tax return haha.

[Mizel]

I thought this was pretty accurate:

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

There are things I'm really disappointed with... such as:

*You can still play used games but Microsoft *MAY* require a fee for that ( I say may because they actually did NOT deny rumors of a fee- but they did not confirm one either). I guess it's good that they're still letting you play used games, but if you have to pay a fee- depending on how much it is- you might as well just buy the game used >_<
Microsoft clarifies Xbox One used game stance - GameSpot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-clarifies-xbox-one-used-game-stance-6408698)

*Xbox One is required to have a internet connection to function, but will not be required constantly (for example it checks in temporarily on a DAILY basis, but does not need to be connected 24/7). Yea. That is really disappointing. Won't matter for most people because most individuals using the One will probably already be hooked up to the internet for online play. But it sucks if you don't have the option of internet :/
Xbox One games will need to check-in online, possibly once a day - GameSpot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-games-will-need-to-check-in-online-possibly-once-a-day-6408714)

*Xbox One contains non-replaceable hard drive. That's wonderful. So if your hard drive crashes, you have to replace the WHOLE system. Very cute, Microsoft.
Xbox One contains non-replaceable hard drive - GameSpot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-contains-non-replaceable-hard-drive-6408707)

*Xbox 360 controllers, accessories won't work on Xbox One. Nor is the system backwards compatible. /sigh So ridiculous. I believe the PS4 is going the same route as well though?
Xbox 360 controllers, accessories won't work on Xbox One - GameSpot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-360-controllers-accessories-wont-work-on-xbox-one-6408716)

The only cool thing I see about the whole system is that you can plug your cable into into it and use it as a "controller"- which is also voice activated. And it's got multitasking capabilities.
Xbox One: Everything from Microsoft's Xbox reveal event | Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-everything-from-microsofts-xbox-reveal-event/)

[EpsilonX]

See...I thought that Xbox one sounded pretty dumb (for a lot of the reasons listed above ^). PS4 I might get down the road, but for now i'm sticking to my ps3 and 3DS for gaming. I want to build a PC soon though, and maybe get a Wii U within a year's time.

This generation of consoles hasn't really been all that impressive.

[ROFLBRYCE]

Ohhh okay. I swore I heard them say no fee, lol. That kinda sucks that it may be an option. Code with each game to "claim" it, kinda like the EA Online passes or something would really blow.

PS4 said they're system will play older games...in one way or another. I'm thinking PS1/2/3 games onto the store that you buy and download, kinda like it is now. I hate that they took out the backwards compatibility through discs, my launch PS3 actually just crapped out and I really don't wanna replace it D:

So far this thing looks like it's catering to the "COD ROOLZ PLEI REAL GAMEZ U GuyZ! NFL14 GAME OF THE YEAR F YEAAAA" kinda crowd. I really hope it doesn't go that route, though or I'll just be buying a PS4.

[Mizel]

Ohhh okay. I swore I heard them say no fee, lol. That kinda sucks that it may be an option. Code with each game to "claim" it, kinda like the EA Online passes or something would really blow.

PS4 said they're system will play older games...in one way or another. I'm thinking PS1/2/3 games onto the store that you buy and download, kinda like it is now. I hate that they took out the backwards compatibility through discs, my launch PS3 actually just crapped out and I really don't wanna replace it D:

So far this thing looks like it's catering to the "COD ROOLZ PLEI REAL GAMEZ U GuyZ! NFL14 GAME OF THE YEAR F YEAAAA" kinda crowd. I really hope it doesn't go that route, though or I'll just be buying a PS4.

Yea, the code thing would really suck. Like... it pretty much means that you couldn't buy a game and bring it a friends house unless you brought your console or I guess logged into your account on theirs :/

[Trunks]

The online codes are linked to your profile, not your console. Whenever I go to a friends house I normally bring my console anyway as split screen is kind of lame for most games. But if you just recover your profile which takes 30 seconds with the new cloud it's not too bad. It's just as likely that Sony will do the same thing with the codes, it's not the system companies doing it, it's the game developers.

Also I doubt Microsoft will make a fee to play used games, it would be really dumb considering the PS4 and Wii U are not doing it that way. If anything it's the game developers losing money on it, not Microsoft. So if it did happen it probably wouldn't come from their end, but I wouldn't worry about it.

Also, PS4 doesn't have a removable hard drive, nor did any other console except for the xbox 360. Though the newer model of the 360 ended up taking out that feature. So PS4 and Xbox One are even there. Besides if you are a little techsavy ,it's not hard to take a console apart. Also an external harddrive can be used as well. Both will definitely feature a USB 3.0 so there will be some fast transferring speeds for anyone who has used a 3.0 USB. They can actually be faster than hard drives with Disc for desktops.

No backwards compatibility does suck, but like you said PS4 is going the same route. It has to do with hardware and not the company though. The way the 360 and PS3 were built is completely different than the PS4 and Xbox One. It would be like running Linux Games on Windows and vise versa. I believe Sony said they would be converting Popular Games from the PS3 over to PS4 in the PSN. Microsoft hasn't made any mentions about that happening for the Xbox One though.

Also I don't see why people are making a big deal about the internet. If you read the article Mizel posted it says right there that any offline games won't require any internet to use. internet is needed for updates on games which is required for some. BF3 is an example where it was needed to play, that being on PS3 and Xbox 360 though. Then of course to play Xbox Live you'll need internet. Nothing has changed since the 360, it's the same stuff. It says so right in the article. Only reason it mentions Once a day is for updates, you don't have to have upgrades, but it makes games and the console run smoother.

So IMO Not a lot of bad came from either reveal for the PS4 or Xbox One.

PS4 obviously has better games.
Xbox One has universal capabilities with TV's Browsing and Movies.

Those are the two difference IMO. Everything else is basically similar.

So honestly I think PS4 and Xbox One are pretty even as far everything else goes.

That being said, I'm looking for a gaming system, and Xbox's best games being EA sports and CoD isn't a good sign. Unless Microsoft surprises me with some games at E3 I may be switching to Sony this time around.

[paecmaker]

A very fitting recap over the highlights :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

[Mizel]

The One isn't just a non-removable hard drive- it's a non-replaceable. Non-removable isn't that big of a deal. Like you said, just take it apart- nbd. But non-replaceable is a whole new ballgame :/ Which honestly- I'm curious to know how they are going to go about that lol

[Trunks]

That's odd, seems like a challenge to me. If I went Xbox One I would secretly hope mine breaks so I can test it.

But either way, External Harddrive with 3.0 USB support is probably faster than the harddrive the Xbox One offers anyway. So if it did break, I'd just go buy a 1 TB external Drive for 70 bucks. Cheaper, faster, bigger and portable.

[Mizel]

How would you be able to boot from it though? As far as I know it has it's own OS. So if the hard drive fails... there's nothing for the system to boot from O_o

[thedeparted]

Ohhh okay. I swore I heard them say no fee, lol. That kinda sucks that it may be an option. Code with each game to "claim" it, kinda like the EA Online passes or something would really blow.

PS4 said they're system will play older games...in one way or another. I'm thinking PS1/2/3 games onto the store that you buy and download, kinda like it is now. I hate that they took out the backwards compatibility through discs, my launch PS3 actually just crapped out and I really don't wanna replace it D:

So far this thing looks like it's catering to the "COD ROOLZ PLEI REAL GAMEZ U GuyZ! NFL14 GAME OF THE YEAR F YEAAAA" kinda crowd. I really hope it doesn't go that route, though or I'll just be buying a PS4.

Some think they may use that streaming service they bought for BC.

[Trunks]

How would you be able to boot from it though? As far as I know it has it's own OS. So if the hard drive fails... there's nothing for the system to boot from O_o

The same way as the 360 did. You can take the harddrive out from the 360 and it'll still run, you just can't save any games. I assume that they use some type of SSD to run the OS for the 360, I don't know for sure though. You would except they'd use the same type of thing for Xbox One. Tried to find out what they use for the 360, but couldn't find anything.

[Mizel]

The same way as the 360 did. You can take the harddrive out from the 360 and it'll still run, you just can't save any games. I assume that they use some type of SSD to run the OS for the 360, I don't know for sure though. You would except they'd use the same type of thing for Xbox One. Tried to find out what they use for the 360, but couldn't find anything.

Ahhhh, ok. That makes sense then. I figured it must have an SSD for the OS but I wasn't sure.

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Just read this: "Microsoft’s Mattrick says he doesn’t think compatibility is really a problem. He said only 5% of customers play older games on a new videogame system anyway, so spending time and money to develop technology to allow them to play older games isn’t worth it.

“If you’re backwards compatible, you’re really backwards,” he said."

......

[Ziek88]

I think the operating system was firmware for the 360 integrated somewhere on the mainboard. I would expect to see something similar. I'll have to wait until closer to launch and more info has been released to really decide. Right now I'm leaning towards neither and just upgrading my PC more.

[Synge]

Never owned an Xbox, probably never will. Nothing I've seen of this interests me, and all of these 'features' seem pretty useless. Basically, Mizel has already said everything I would have said.

Also, that presenter annoyed the **** out of me, not sure why.

Edit: I do like the design though.

[thedeparted]

The same way as the 360 did. You can take the harddrive out from the 360 and it'll still run, you just can't save any games. I assume that they use some type of SSD to run the OS for the 360, I don't know for sure though. You would except they'd use the same type of thing for Xbox One. Tried to find out what they use for the 360, but couldn't find anything.

SSD would be so expensive though, Also both Sony and Microsoft sure set up their consoles to be really expensive -_-

[Trunks]

SSD would be so expensive though, Also both Sony and Microsoft sure set up their consoles to be really expensive -_-

Yeah, that's true. It's probably what Ziek said, integrated on the main board somewhere.

[Mizel]

I also just read that MS just announced that Indie gaming companies won't be allowed to publish on the One.... Which means companies that did games like The Walking Dead (Tell Tale) won't be allowed to put their games on the system (without getting a publisher OR paying MS a good bit of $) >_<

Microsoft Will Not Allow Indie Developers To Self-publish OnXbox One | Geeky Gadgets (http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/microsoft-will-not-allow-indie-developers-to-self-publish-onxbox-one-23-05-2013/)

[Ziek88]

That's almost as smart as making a windows OS without the option of having a start button. Silly Microsoft.

Someday Linux will rule all.

[ROFLBRYCE]

I also just read that MS just announced that Indie gaming companies won't be allowed to publish on the One.... Which means companies that did games like The Walking Dead (Tell Tale) won't be allowed to put their games on the system (without getting a publisher OR paying MS a good bit of $) >_<

Microsoft Will Not Allow Indie Developers To Self-publish OnXbox One | Geeky Gadgets (http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/microsoft-will-not-allow-indie-developers-to-self-publish-onxbox-one-23-05-2013/)


Well, that's kind of completely retarded. Hello Minecraft port for PS4? I can't believe they'd do that. The indie section of the marketplace has so many great games as well. Now I'm leaning quite a bit more towards PS4 after that, or a new GFX card.

[Mizel]

Well, that's kind of completely retarded. Hello Minecraft port for PS4? I can't believe they'd do that. The indie section of the marketplace has so many great games as well. Now I'm leaning quite a bit more towards PS4 after that, or a new GFX card.

Yuppppp! I'm assuming the only reason they decided to not allow Indie games is because they aren't making $$ of of them? But I'm not sure how that works :/

I feel bad for saying it.... but now that I've got a controller for my PC... I can't see buying another console ever again. I can deal without the FEW "exclusives" that each console offers. Definitely without all of the crap exclusive games for the Xbox :P

[ROFLBRYCE]

Yuppppp! I'm assuming the only reason they decided to not allow Indie games is because they aren't making $$ of of them? But I'm not sure how that works :/

I feel bad for saying it.... but now that I've got a controller for my PC... I can't see buying another console ever again. I can deal without the FEW "exclusives" that each console offers. Definitely without all of the crap exclusive games for the Xbox :P

Well the indie section is set up that developers can publish their own games onto the 360. They also charge their own prices ($1-2) and get mostly all the money from it. They just give Xbox more attention because of having an entire indie section with hundreds of games. I think Microsoft only makes about 1/3 of the money through Indie sales (which to be honest is still a ton of money.)

Yeah Xbox doesn't have too much going for it now. Forza/Gears of War/Halo are the big ones, and I've lost interest in all but Halo. I'm thinking I'll just be wrapping Halo with friends instead of buying the console for ONE game.

[Mizel]

EA: Xbox One and PS4 a generation ahead of PC | Game Development | News by Develop (http://www.develop-online.net/news/44289/EA-Xbox-One-and-PS4-a-generation-ahead-of-PC)

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[paecmaker]

EA: Xbox One and PS4 a generation ahead of PC | Game Development | News by Develop (http://www.develop-online.net/news/44289/EA-Xbox-One-and-PS4-a-generation-ahead-of-PC)

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Might be true, only that the pc changes generation almost every month so when the console is released they will be behind again.

[Trunks]

WTF? No where close to being true. Better than a high end PC? Please, better than a 4Ghz Core i7, 32GB of RAM, dual or Quad Titans in SLI and SSDs in RAID 0.

That guys an idiot. My Gaming PC is average IMO, not high end, but is capable of running any game with 30+ fps. I didn't see the PS4 or Xbox One being levels above me. I actually compared them to be close though.

I would say Console Gaming has caught up with PC as far your Average gaming PC. But it's not better than the high end PC's where 1 part cost as much the console its self.

[Mizel]

Haha I know. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry at that article :P

[Mizel]

http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310

Welp, I sort of saw that coming haha

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However, with the removal of DRM... they also got rid of family sharing and other features. Lulz

[ROFLBRYCE]

Yeah they have absolutely nothing together this generation. It wouldn't surprise me either if the first major patch re-implemented all of the features/DRM they just took out. I think I'm gonna be ok with buying a PS4 this year.

[Trunks]

I think removing the DRM helped them a lot. I mean I'm leaning more towards xboxone now TBH.