DDR 3 ram

[Trunks]

Okay, I plan on getting a Nividia 8600 GTS for Christmas. I currently have a ATI 1650 and it's won't run the newer games that are coming out well. I already have the PCI-3 x16 slot, but my motherboard only supports DDR 2 ram. The spec's for the 8600 GTS say GDDR 3. Not quite sure what "G" stands for either. Anyway, does that mean that you have to have DDR3 for the graphics card to run. Or does it just mean that it supports GDDR 3 ram. ( Again, wtf is the "g"? ) I rather not have to buy a new motherboard and ram, which will cost another 150 bucks on top of the graphics card.

So, does anyone have any idea what the G stands for and if I can run if with DDR2 ram.

[LiNuX]

G = Graphics since it is a GPU lol

and DDR3 Ram isn't as good as they say, it's actually weaker than DDR2 because it can't retrieve the data as fast (as I'm told) - i have friends that used DDR2 and DDR3 ram to compare lol

and DDR3 GPU is better than DDR2 - but you should be fine - RAM doesn't generally affect what your graphics are like - video memory is hosted by the gpu - they don't interact as much as you'd think, or in a wide picture as you'd think

something like that lol, my computer brain isn't really on today so my stuff may not make much sense, i may get back to you later but definitely stick with DDR2 ram

[Trunks]

Okay, so on the specs of it, the DDR3 is referring to the max it can support or does it really have nothing to do with the g card at all?

[LiNuX]

Okay, so on the specs of it, the DDR3 is referring to the max it can support or does it really have nothing to do with the g card at all?

the ddr3 in the gpu is just relating to the gpu, don't worry about it - i have a DDR3 GPU with DDR2 ram

and i don't think there is a DDR4 lol...so max and min has nothing to do with this

[Trunks]

Okay, another question. I'm to lazy to make another thread so I'll post it here.

So, as you know I'm buying a new graphics card. Which is going to be a Nividia 8800. They have many different type of it them though. Like 8800 GT, 8800 GTS, 8800 GTX, 8800 OC, 8800 ultra. Each one is better than the other in some department. I think the ultra is too much money for me, so I can't get that one. I also don't want the Over Clocked one. So, That leaves the GT, GTS, GTX. The specs are as follows.


8800 GTS
Manufacturer: nVidia
Series: GeForce 8
GPU: G80
Release Date: 2006-11-08
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 500 MHz
Shader Clock: 1200 MHz
Memory Clock: 800 MHz (1600 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 64 GB/sec
FLOPS: 230.4 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 10000 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 12000 MTexels/sec

8800 GT
Manufacturer: nVidia
Series: GeForce 8
GPU: G92
Release Date: 2007-10-29
Interface: PCI-E 2.0 x16
Core Clock: 600 MHz
Shader Clock: 1500 MHz
Memory Clock: 900 MHz (1800 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 57.6 GB/sec
FLOPS: 336 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 9600 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 33600 MTexels/sec


8800 GTX
Manufacturer: nVidia
Series: GeForce 8
GPU: G80
Release Date: 2006-11-08
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 575 MHz
Shader Clock: 1350 MHz
Memory Clock: 900 MHz (1800 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 86.4 GB/sec
FLOPS: 345.6 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 13800 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 18400 MTexels/sec

The GTX is clearly better than the GTS. But, I'm not sure If I can afford a GTX. So it would be best to list them in order if you could. It may be easier to look at this website to compare which one is better. Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=544&card2=474)
If you need more information or have a question, just ask.

[LiNuX]

look at the release date, the later it came out the better they can handle - GT is the best out of the three and yeah the 8800 series is very expensive - thats why i have the 8600GT

you can even go for the 9600GT - it released early this year - not as good as the 8800 because it was made as an upgrade to the 8600.

here is a cheap 8800GT: Newegg.com - XFX PVT88PYHF4 GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150272)

XFX is great with GPUs, I use their cards and have no regrets (yet)

[Trunks]

look at the release date, the later it came out the better they can handle - GT is the best out of the three and yeah the 8800 series is very expensive - thats why i have the 8600GT

you can even go for the 9600GT - it released early this year - not as good as the 8800 because it was made as an upgrade to the 8600.

here is a cheap 8800GT: Newegg.com - XFX PVT88PYHF4 GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150272)

XFX is great with GPUs, I use their cards and have no regrets (yet)

I just compared the 9800 GT adn 8800 GT and there the same. Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=575&card2=544)


Why are those cards so cheap? Nividia 8800's are like 200 dollars.

[LiNuX]

I just compared the 9800 GT adn 8800 GT and there the same. Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=575&card2=544)


Why are those cards so cheap? Nividia 8800's are like 200 dollars.

its cheaper because they use cheaper parts to make them - as time goes by the price of computer parts decreases - same happened here but I have no personal experience with the 9800GT so I can't really tell you that it is better than the 8800GT with full confidence

[Trunks]

its cheaper because they use cheaper parts to make them - as time goes by the price of computer parts decreases - same happened here but I have no personal experience with the 9800GT so I can't really tell you that it is better than the 8800GT with full confidence

So if it's cheaper, wouldn't it break down a lot more often.

[LiNuX]

So if it's cheaper, wouldn't it break down a lot more often.

if it breaks down, that's it lol...its not a car that you can change a part - the GPU is a part of the computer and thats a part you have to change if it "breaks down"

and no, cheaper doesn't always mean its bad, it's how you handle it, you have to make sure not to overclock enough to blow it up or make sure it doesn't overheat, etc..

just over a year ago I built my server (the server GF Servers is on) - the server fully cost me about $400 including case, gpu, mobo, cpu, etc...it's been running for about a year and it has no problems at all. no lag, it doesn't over heat, I only restart it once every 4-6 months and it works great

and on the other hand, I've been part of web hosts with quad core cpu, 8 gb ram, and a bunch of other expensive parts and they go down every few days because those guys don't know how to manage it - GF was on one of those servers about a year ago which forced me to look for a better host

so yeah..the point is, don't let the price tell you that it's better than something else, kind of a stereotype if you think about it lol

[Trunks]

if it breaks down, that's it lol...its not a car that you can change a part - the GPU is a part of the computer and thats a part you have to change if it "breaks down"

and no, cheaper doesn't always mean its bad, it's how you handle it, you have to make sure not to overclock enough to blow it up or make sure it doesn't overheat, etc..

just over a year ago I built my server (the server GF Servers is on) - the server fully cost me about $400 including case, gpu, mobo, cpu, etc...it's been running for about a year and it has no problems at all. no lag, it doesn't over heat, I only restart it once every 4-6 months and it works great

and on the other hand, I've been part of web hosts with quad core cpu, 8 gb ram, and a bunch of other expensive parts and they go down every few days because those guys don't know how to manage it - GF was on one of those servers about a year ago which forced me to look for a better host

so yeah..the point is, don't let the price tell you that it's better than something else, kind of a stereotype if you think about it lol


Well, I'm a brand whore. All top of the line parts for me. Kingston RAM, Bio Star motherboards, Nividia or ATI gcards. Even my cloths, I only wear holister and American eagle.

I do understand that I can replace the parts, but if I buy the $120 9800. It breaks, that means I'll have to spend another $120. When I could buy one for $200 with a nice brand name on it =p.

I'll give evga a try though, if it fails me it's back to nividia. I don't even overclock my GPU's, I only OC CPU's. I have intel duo core 3.4 OC to a 3.6.

So, you better not be lying to me linux. Or else you better send me the 120 dollars, I'm holding you responsible.

[LiNuX]

1. You can hold me responsible, but you won't win the court case lol
2. there is warranty
3. brands aren't everything
4. Kingston Ram - not a fan, Bio Star Mobo? REALLY not a fan - im more into Gigabyte
4. EVGA GPU? I haven't had a lot of pleasant exp with them - I prefer XFX

[Trunks]

1. You can hold me responsible, but you won't win the court case lol
2. there is warranty
3. brands aren't everything
4. Kingston Ram - not a fan, Bio Star Mobo? REALLY not a fan - im more into Gigabyte
4. EVGA GPU? I haven't had a lot of pleasant exp with them - I prefer XFX

No, Idea why I said EVGA and you said 4 twice? anyway, thanks for your help. I'll probably end up getting this one Newegg.com - XFX PVT98GYDLH GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150323)

It even comes with Far Cry 2 yay!!

[LiNuX]

No, Idea why I said EVGA and you said 4 twice? anyway, thanks for your help. I'll probably end up getting this one Newegg.com - XFX PVT98GYDLH GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150323)

It even comes with Far Cry 2 yay!!

glad i can help :D

and XFX generally has like 1-2 years warranty on their parts so you should be good.

and newegg is also good when it comes to product support - i bought a TV from them and it broke down 3 weeks later - i got a full refund back, including shipping lol - so they are good :D

good luck with it! let me know how it goes

[Trunks]

Okay, I looked into the 9800 gt and it is the same as the 8800 gt. Then I looked at the 9600 GT. Which is a lot like the 8800 gt, so I'm not sure which one is better. What's your opinion.

Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=557&card2=544)

The shader clock and core clock is higher on the 9600. Along with pixcel fill rate, no idea what that does.

[LiNuX]

the 9 series came out after the 8 series so you have to assume they are better in quality and performance - the 9800 is a kind of replacement for the 8800 while the 9600 is a replacement for the 8600 - its all up to you what to go with, the 9600GT is cheap and very good and will stand great with all the current games and ones coming out in the near future

and in a few months to a year, nvidia is probably gonna have an even better GPU so you have to call this Temporary no matter what card you pick

[Trunks]

the 9 series came out after the 8 series so you have to assume they are better in quality and performance - the 9800 is a kind of replacement for the 8800 while the 9600 is a replacement for the 8600 - its all up to you what to go with, the 9600GT is cheap and very good and will stand great with all the current games and ones coming out in the near future

and in a few months to a year, nvidia is probably gonna have an even better GPU so you have to call this Temporary no matter what card you pick


Well, if you looked at the site it compares the 9600gt and the 8800gt. It shows that the 8800 is better than some places than the 9600 gt. So my question was which one is better for gaming? The product number doesn't mean that much to me. because the 9800 gt is exactly the same as the 8800 gt. I'm looking at the speculations of the cards.

[LiNuX]

both cards will be able to support any and all games you play today - it's not really an easy choice to choose between great cards like that, all are modern and all are great - the 9800 is the latest build so I am only assuming it is the best out there atm (from nvidia)

as for 8800 and 9600, i dont think you will see too much of a difference between the graphics when gaming. Flip a coin or something lol, cuz if i was in your shoes, I'd probably flip a coin even though I'd favor the 9600 by a penny or two

[Trunks]

both cards will be able to support any and all games you play today - it's not really an easy choice to choose between great cards like that, all are modern and all are great - the 9800 is the latest build so I am only assuming it is the best out there atm (from nvidia)

as for 8800 and 9600, i dont think you will see too much of a difference between the graphics when gaming. Flip a coin or something lol, cuz if i was in your shoes, I'd probably flip a coin even though I'd favor the 9600 by a penny or two

If you look at the site that I posted, it says that the 9800 gt is the same speed as the 8800 gt. I also looked at the specs from nividia's website and got the same results. I rather get the best card that I can get at the moment. Why just play a guessing game and pay some same price for a worse card.

I do know it's not an easy choice. That's why I posted here, I'm not sure what aspect of the graphics card determines how much FPS you get. I rather no that I have the better card than just pick one up because the product number is bigger.

[LiNuX]

If you look at the site that I posted, it says that the 9800 gt is the same speed as the 8800 gt. I also looked at the specs from nividia's website and got the same results. I rather get the best card that I can get at the moment. Why just play a guessing game and pay some same price for a worse card.

I do know it's not an easy choice. That's why I posted here, I'm not sure what aspect of the graphics card determines how much FPS you get. I rather no that I have the better card than just pick one up because the product number is bigger.

GPU speed isn't everything - the drivers also determine how well it does - and again, between those cards, its a hard pick

and right now my election hat is on, my computer hat is under my bed lol, so im' not gonna say much more than this right now

[Trunks]

Lol, GPU speed is almost everything. The speed of the GPU has little do on the drivers unless the card just came out. Which they both had enough time to fix them up. No new drivers are coming out for either cards. So the drivers basically have nothing to do with the 8800 gt and the 9600 gt. If you are talking about the GPU core clock speed and memory clock speed, then you are half wrong. Core clock, doesn't really determine the FPS that you should get. Though the memory clock has a lot to do with FPS. If you even clicked the link, you would find out that they have the same memory clock. More core clock means that your GPU can handle more programs at once. If the FLOPS and Texture fill rate, also help your FPS, then I want to get the 8800 gt. If they don't change your fps, then I was going to go with the 9600 gt.

So, I'll simplify my question even more than before. Does "FLOPS" and "Texture Fill Rate" determine your FPS rate?

[LiNuX]

Lol, GPU speed is almost everything. The speed of the GPU has little do on the drivers unless the card just came out. Which they both had enough time to fix them up. No new drivers are coming out for either cards. So the drivers basically have nothing to do with the 8800 gt and the 9600 gt. If you are talking about the GPU core clock speed and memory clock speed, then you are half wrong. Core clock, doesn't really determine the FPS that you should get. Though the memory clock has a lot to do with FPS. If you even clicked the link, you would find out that they have the same memory clock. More core clock means that your GPU can handle more programs at once. If the FLOPS and Texture fill rate, also help your FPS, then I want to get the 8800 gt. If they don't change your fps, then I was going to go with the 9600 gt.

So, I'll simplify my question even more than before. Does "FLOPS" and "Texture Fill Rate" determine your FPS rate?

in games or monitor? in games, most games have a limit and all of those cards will be able to fit the needs, for monitors, thats a yes too i guess since well...i dont know lol - still on election hat :D

about the core clock, in CPU it means it can handle more programs at once, if you minimize a game, the GPU core clock isn't getting affected because you don't see it - well it is affected, but nearly not as much as it would if you were playing the game full screen

[Trunks]

in games or monitor? in games, most games have a limit and all of those cards will be able to fit the needs, for monitors, thats a yes too i guess since well...i dont know lol - still on election hat :D

about the core clock, in CPU it means it can handle more programs at once, if you minimize a game, the GPU core clock isn't getting affected because you don't see it - well it is affected, but nearly not as much as it would if you were playing the game full screen

You avoided my question completely. First of all I'm not going to buy a graphic's card every time a new one comes out. So I want the best one I can get right now. Why buy a card for the same price if it is worse than the other. I'm not sure why you are trying to explain to me what the core rate is considering I already knew what it is for. If you are trying to convince me that GPU speed isn't everything, then it's pointless. The speed of the GPU speed determines the max FPS that the card allows.

Anyway, my question still is. Does "FLOPS" and "Texture Fill Rate" determine your FPS rate?

[LiNuX]

You avoided my question completely. First of all I'm not going to buy a graphic's card every time a new one comes out. So I want the best one I can get right now. Why buy a card for the same price if it is worse than the other. I'm not sure why you are trying to explain to me what the core rate is considering I already knew what it is for. If you are trying to convince me that GPU speed isn't everything, then it's pointless. The speed of the GPU speed determines the max FPS that the card allows.

Anyway, my question still is. Does "FLOPS" and "Texture Fill Rate" determine your FPS rate?

and i asked you, FPS in game? or in your monitor (movies etc.)? i guess i wasn't clear

- and generally those two things shouldn't even touch FPS, TFR is just telling you how well it will do with bigger resolutions and flops is related to the gpu core clock i believe and it shouldn't touch FPS

and i also said, all of those cards will be able to handle anything and everything out now and coming out in the near future - that doesn't mean you have to buy a new card every time another one comes out because these should work perfectly for years to come.

i don't expect anyone to get a GPU everytime a new one comes out, that's just a waste of money and unless you have the money to waste on that, I wouldn't recommend it