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Originally Posted by LiNuX
That's a pretty big stereotype. Although it may be true, it's an inaccurate belief. Just because a few of them are bad, doesn't mean a majority of them are. Every group has that whether you're illegal, legal, alien, human, dog, cat, or an ipod. Everything that comes in mass has a few baddies.
The biggest drug runners and terrorists are governments and large corporations, and that's not a stereotype.
I already knew our government was full of terrorists, but yes, I can say that.
It's a stereotype for you to stereotype me stereotyping.
Yes. Most of them are illegal because of the drugs and terrorists weapons.
If they had nothing to hide, they'd come here legally.
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Originally Posted by Samus-Fan
It's a stereotype for you to stereotype me stereotyping.
:eek1: I'm stereotyping you how exactly?
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Originally Posted by Samus-Fan
Most of them are illegal because of the drugs and terrorists weapons.
If they had nothing to hide, they'd come here legally.
I'm sure if they had the money and the government let them, they'd come here legally. And there are some that flee their country to avoid persecution, you know, the stuff the forefathers of this country did.
I don't think our definition of illegal immigrants is the same because in my definition, drugs and terrorism has nothing to do with it. That's on a completely different game board imo.
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How can you tell if they are running or not? I could be an illegal and You would never know even if i got pulled over by the cops how can they check? they can access NCIC but that doesnt include mexico in the search.
No there is war going on down there in Mexico the drug cartels are out of control killing people left and right, going after Americans and Mexicans alike.
most illegals, if not vast majority of them, use drug runners to get across the border. So they themselves are being used to help carry drugs into the US by armed thugs who will shoot and kill anything that isnt one of them.
Like I said if people want to come ove here let them but they must do it legally this jumping the border crap is annoying. If you cant get a visa there are other countries.
My problem is with illegals harming law enforcement. Ive seen too many videos of it happening and its something that can be avoided before the illegal even comes over here.
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In this day and age racial profiling is as simple as an officer getting on the radio and saying "I have a black male white shirt black pants running from me going north on bah bah"
Can you blame Americans for thinking that? In this day and age terror attack after terror attack in the US does some serious damage to us as Americans it starts with the parents and its passed on to us the children.
There is alot to know about terrorism but its off topic.
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/facepalm
FBI Defintion of terrorism ".the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"
The cold war was stand off between us and Russia. Everyone was scared someone was going to push the shiny red button and kill us all. And your thinking of spies.
I know for a fact that not all terrorist are middle eastern. The american public does not because they dont know what to believe anymore. 9/11 middle eastern people hijacked planes and attacked us dealing the single biggest blow to the US ever.
Dont blame the American public for being afraid.
and lets not continue this here I dont feel like getting an infraction, I just explained a few things to you.
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I don't blame them for being afraid! I blame them for being stupid! The only reason people were so shocked after 9/11 was because the US had never fallen victim to a homeland attack before! I'm not saying the attack on the world trades center was right, I'm just saying it was a wake up call for the american citizen. Now I know this sounds kind of stupid, but the Video game "Modern Warfare 2" had a pretty good image of what would AND CAN happen to america if someone was to attack us. We have protocol and fallbacks, but we're not really ready. Untill war is declared on OUR SOIL, I don't think we'll ever be.
They took many lives. But we destroyed them.
There is a reason people don't screw with us.
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Originally Posted by QuietGrave
I don't blame them for being afraid! I blame them for being stupid! The only reason people were so shocked after 9/11 was because the US had never fallen victim to a homeland attack before!
Im not going to get into a rant about this but:
Okbom
93 world trade
Several attacks from ELF and ALF.
We have been the target before, just not on the level of what happened that day.
Pretty much we are a issue to AQ, Taliban, and others. But their main targets is the jews. Those extremist hate them so they are going after them first and they will deal with us later.
mainly OBL, AQ, and Taliban are our biggest threat because OBL has control over AQ since it is his FTO and Taliban he funds.
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Originally Posted by Samus-Fan
Yes. Most of them are illegal because of the drugs and terrorists weapons.
If they had nothing to hide, they'd come here legally.
And this is why you should stay in school kids.
You know what I kind of missed being insulted on the internet. It gives me the chance to intelligently argue a point and creates a feeling.. kind of like protecting the world from ignorance. Im like a MF'ing super hero.
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Originally Posted by Samus-Fan
Bob, you're messed up in the head.
Keyword there is ILLEGAL.
ILLEGAL means they shouldn't be here.
If they really wanna feed their families, either get a job in Mexico and stop stealing them from US Citizens who are here LEGALLY, or they can go through the paperwork and become a LEGAL citizen.
But I really think Illegal aliens are a big issue because most of them aren't just families feeding each other.
Please dont insult my opinion before you do your homework, you could enlighten yourself with a simple google search.
Lets address each of the highlighted portions I have quoted from you so we can understand why I think you have no footing to claim Im "messed up in the head".
"get a job in Mexico and stop stealing them from US Citizens" First of all (seeing as you addressed jobs in mexico and stealing from us citizens in the same breath), let me state that coming to america and finding a job is not stealing. Its survival, and I think its imoral to condem people for looking for honest work even by breaking the law to do so. Governments are not inherently moral. But lets look at the reasons we have illigals in america:
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The Mexican economy’s inability to generate jobs has become a chronic problem.
http://www.wharton.universia.net/ind...nguage=english
Saying they are criminals for wanting work is... almost raciest. Why cant they have jobs like the rest of us again? Please explain.
"go through the paperwork and become a LEGAL citizen." You would think that this would be the first thing people would try. Oh wait it usually is:
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Analysts believe that costs, delays, and inefficiencies in processing visa applications and work permits contribute to the number of immigrants who immigrate without authorization. As of 2007 there was a backlog of 1.1 million green card applications, and the typical waiting time was three years.[32]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal...gal_immigrants
I think your opinion would be drastically different if you didn't have the advantages of being born in the US. And considering you think they are all terrorists smuggling weapons I will assume you are a very, very sheltered Caucasian. Please let me know if Im wrong. =)
most of them aren't just families feeding each other. In general, most illegal immigrants ARE trying to feed their families. This can be confirmed by the amount of money sent to Mexican household through various banking services. (I have sent money to Honduras for a friend before so I got to look at a lot of options). This is addressed by the USA's policy of immigrating families over as a priority over skilled labor, creating... more unskilled labor. But If you already forgot it wasnt even a few years ago bush was telling all of us on national TV that we needed more unskilled labor. (I will look for it on youtube, but its not really central to my point)
Now here is a small bump, a lot of them do smuggles drugs, but its really hard to confirm how many, and its usually related to the price they pay to have Coyote's smuggles them over the boarder, for some insight to this topic you could try reading this debate:
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In the debate, Jette said that most people who cross illegally into Arizona are "just trying to feed their families."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...gle-drugs.html
Please feel free to use internet resources to backup your opinion when arguing. There is plenty on both sides, but I really have a hard time accepting biased or ignorant opinion from anyone and will probably point out your inaccuracies in a methodical and drawn out post.
=P
(also, I don't aim to insult you Samus-fan, your probably a great guy and I enjoy reading posts from you. Its your opinion on this topic I'm bashing, and feel free to take shots back. I look forward it)
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But the issue here bob is that someone who is an illegal alien, well group of illegals, are trying to fight AZ law saying its not right for them to do that.
It makes no logical sense, your here illegally and yet you want to fight a law that will get you in trouble.
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Originally Posted by Jokersvirus
But the issue here bob is that someone who is an illegal alien, well group of illegals, are trying to fight AZ law saying its not right for them to do that.
It makes no logical sense, your here illegally and yet you want to fight a law that will get you in trouble.
There are more ways to fight a law then through legal recourse. They illegal immigrants found a much more intelligent way of fighting the law. The focus of the main article was the posted video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLlW1-R47E8
What you see here is someone reaching out through viral advertising for support from people across the USA. And the result?
The power of the internet, BEHOLD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUQMxLIuJUM&NR=1
OMG, the UN opposes this new law?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osdzs...eature=related
Stops traffic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXoql...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ah4z...eature=related
Religious leaders get involved?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s25q...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azsn1...eature=related
CAL student (lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X51IW...eature=related
Believe me... they found a way to fight back.
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