Presidential Election

[Sunsetforgotten]

Yep Iowa is the start of it all really. Paul supporters have been there since 6 AM trying to get people to stop off and get their vote in. The media is going to downplay Paul all day, so its up to everyone in Iowa to get off their couches and put their votes in.

[Mizel]

Doesn't matter who wins. This election, will be exactly like every other one. Someone will get voted in, mostly by the votes of people that have no idea about politics or even what the individual they voted in stands for- but still vote because they can, or vote based on rumors and opinions of others. The candidate that wins will inevitably do exactly everything that's opposite of what they claimed would happen while campaigning... causing those that voted him in to complain along with the rest of the country that already complaining that their candidate didn't get elected. Those that dont vote complain that their vote does nothing, so why vote?

Basically.... in the end everyone that votes just complains and ends up unhappy. And those that dont vote claim the system is screwed, but never do anything about it to try and change it.

Bottom line, not only are politics complete bs... but the only people that dont complain are those with tons of money. Because really, thats what politics are all about and thats whose really running the country are those individuals with the money.

[thedeparted]

Yeah its a shame money is what changes things or get things done not greatness or great ideas.

[Sunsetforgotten]

Doesn't matter who wins. This election, will be exactly like every other one. Someone will get voted in, mostly by the votes of people that have no idea about politics or even what the individual they voted in stands for- but still vote because they can, or vote based on rumors and opinions of others. The candidate that wins will inevitably do exactly everything that's opposite of what they claimed would happen while campaigning... causing those that voted him in to complain along with the rest of the country that already complaining that their candidate didn't get elected. Those that dont vote complain that their vote does nothing, so why vote?
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I would agree with you 99.5% of the time. However, the difference in this election is that a true libertarian has a serious chance of winning. Republican and democrat presidents are controller by their parties and have no real chance of making an abrupt change because they will be the black sheep of the party. Having the opportunity to have someone who isn't controller/afraid of the republicans and democrats in congress and the senate has the real chance to make change. This is the only election where I honestly believe American voters can make a change for the future.

[Mizel]

Possibly. But I don’t really think government change comes down to whether the president is libertarian, republican, democratic or anything….. to be honest, I believe the president is just a figure head for the country and is made out to be a lot more powerful and in control of things then he really is. All change goes through Congress before it even gets to the president. So unless every single other greedy rich selfish politician is replaced as well as the president… I don’t see anything being different.

[thedeparted]

Yeah even if we get a great prez the house and senate could and will stifle anything he wants to do cause that seems to be what they do. argue and get nothing done.

[Sunsetforgotten]

Possibly. But I don’t really think government change comes down to whether the president is libertarian, republican, democratic or anything….. to be honest, I believe the president is just a figure head for the country and is made out to be a lot more powerful and in control of things then he really is. All change goes through Congress before it even gets to the president. So unless every single other greedy rich selfish politician is replaced as well as the president… I don’t see anything being different.

Fortunately, a new law was passed that changed the procedure of a president who was vetoed by congress or the senate. The president can represent two-thirds of the vote if whatever was vetoed has been knocked back on three occasions. The purpose of this lies in the fact that the president would likely not pursue a bill further to the media blowing up on how a bill was vetoed and he/she would essentially lose support within the house. Not only that, but if Obama was able to get as much support as he did on a debt ceiling bill, I think Paul could find a way to pass bills eliminating govt depts. However, Ron Paul strikes me as the kind of person who would pursue such bill passing due to his passion for his methods. I could really see him finding a way to convince them that eliminating five depts. would be a healthy change for America, as well.

[Trunks]

I got into a debate about politics on this other forum I'm apart of. I mentioned Ron Paul as my choice for presidency and got about 40k negative rep. I don't understand why people think socialism is a solution to the problems in America. Also, why give Obama four more years?

The reason I dislike Ron Paul is his ideas about foreign affairs. He wants to bring all the soldiers home, and I don't think that is a good idea at all. Sure a lot of them don't need to be out right now, I agree with that, but we do need people over in other countries. Also, his end the fed idea is really ridiculous and dumb. It can't work with the way our economy runs and it can't work with the amount of population that we currently have in the united states.

[thedeparted]

Why do we need bases in other countries?

[Trunks]

We don't necessarily need bases everywhere, but at least US embassy. They help citizens of the U.S. in case they have any trouble with the foreign government as well as hosting U.S. dignitaries.

Some countries do need bases, that's for sure. The middle east are big ones, after what they did to our country and the state they are currently in, they need a helping hand. The Al Qieda could easily take over and the same war would happen all over again. Not to mention half the world hates us, bases provide us self defense and multiple ways into or out of wars if needed.

Most of the bases we currently have were agreements in treaties after war, such as Germany and japan. Those are the bases we wouldn't needed anymore. There government and armies are built back up that they can protect them self now.