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[Jokersvirus]

Yeah why is is more humane to inject people with toxins then it is too shoot them in the head . I think that we just need to realize our Laws moral code is really wack .

Why is it more humane, because the person feels no pain, compared to riding the lighting, gas chamber, firing squad, etc etc.
Its like putting down a pet you put it to sleep without it causing pain therefore it is humane.



Also Other, I want to say something. You said you are a religious person and to kill someone prevents them from getting closer to god, or something of the sort. If that is true and you believe our laws are screwed up how to answer to the fact since the dawn of time there has been killings in the name of a god? Those killings are illogically compared to those that we do to rid the earth of scum.

[Linx_is_me]

Also Other, I want to say something. You said you are a religious person and to kill someone prevents them from getting closer to god, or something of the sort. If that is true and you believe our laws are screwed up how to answer to the fact since the dawn of time there has been killings in the name of a god? Those killings are illogically compared to those that we do to rid the earth of scum.

People will do what they want my point of view on God is not based on what people did . In biblical sense the only killings that should had taken place for God is with a animal . For all I care kill any animal you want . But since the new testament we no longer do that . So if someone kills a person in the name of God they are still commiting a sin .

[BobTD]

People will do what they want my point of view on God is not based on what people did . In biblical sense the only killings that should had taken place for God is with a animal . For all I care kill any animal you want . But since the new testament we no longer do that . So if someone kills a person in the name of God they are still commiting a sin .

From a religious standpoint I would completely agree with that. New testament wise there is no justification for killing. Technically you would have to be a pacifist and let someone kill you, but that I wouldn't personally agree with.

[Linx_is_me]

From a religious standpoint I would completely agree with that. New testament wise there is no justification for killing. Technically you would have to be a pacifist and let someone kill you, but that I wouldn't personally agree with.

It is not against the bible to kill it is against the bible to murder . So self defense is not a sin .

[Jokersvirus]

To kill is to take away life which is homicide and murder is homicide.

even in self defense your taking away life so you cant say its not murder when you say killing is just bad

[Linx_is_me]

Please do understand I am not putting my religion on you . Just hoping you may better understand this .
Definition of murder
# kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"
# mangle: alter so as to make unrecognizable; "The tourists murdered the French language"
# unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

"Most Christians have been led to believe that Scripture forbids the Taking of a life; that is to kill. That it forbids the taking of a life under any circumstance; even in Self Defense. If this is so, why would GOD tell Israel “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, yet then turn around and tell then to kill their enemies? This would seem to be a Glaring Contradiction, would it not? UNLESS, GOD Never said “Thou Shalt Not Kill” to begin with! Even though the Bible may actually say the word “Kill” in several places, is this what the Original Hebrew and Greek Texts actually say? Or, do we once again have some serious translation errors? Let’s investigate. The first place to start is in Exodus 20; the giving of the Ten Commandments."
In Exodus 20:13 we have the Fifth Commandment “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. Take a good look at that word “Kill”. In the Hebrew Manuscript the word is “Ratsach” which means: Murder; ie - to Murder, a Murderer; to dash to pieces. Thus, Exodus 20:13 Actually reads “Thou Shalt Not MURDER”. Next, look to Exodus 21:12 “He that smiteth a man so that he die, shall be surely put to death”. Here, the Hebrew word translated ‘Smiteth’ is “Nakah”, which means: Murder, To Slay, to make slaughter. Thus, Exodus 21:12 Actually reads “He that Murders a man so that he die, shall be surely put to death”.

Next, look to Exodus 21:14 “But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbor to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die”. The Hebrew word translated ‘Slay’ here is “Harag”, which means: To Smite with Deadly Intent; To Murder. The Hebrew word translated ‘Guile’ here is “Ormah”, which means: Trickery, Craftiness; Deceitful Strategy. Thus, Exodus 21:14 Actually “But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbor to Murder him with a Deceitful Strategy; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die”.

Now move over to Deuteronomy 19:11 + 12 “But if any man hate his neighbor, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and Smite him mortally that he die, and flee into one of these cities: Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the Avenger of Blood, that he may die”. Again, the Hebrew word translated ‘Smite’ here is “Nakah”, which means: Murder, To Slay, to make slaughter. But what is this ‘Avenger of Blood’? The Hebrew word translated ‘Avenger’ here is “Ga'al”, which means: To Redeem (According to the Ancient Law of Kinship) The Next of Kin, Kinsfolk; To Redeem Blood for Blood: ie - Revenge - The Kinsman Redeemer. So, the Murderer was to be put to death by the Nearest of Kin! But what if the death was an accident? Deuteronomy 19:2 thru 6 tells what to do with those who kill by mistake; by accident. They were to be moved away to a far off city, thereby giving the relatives of the one accidentally killed time to cool off, and to not seek revenge.

Thus you will see again and again, when the Old Testament speaks of Kill, it many times actually says ‘MURDER”, and that the Murderers were to be put to Death; by the Kinsman Redeemer! But what about the New Testament?


The Word ‘Kill’ in the New Testament

First, let’s look to Matthew 5. In verses 17 and 18, Jesus says “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled”. In other words, until the Eternity begins, not even the smallest punctuation mark changes in the Law! What Law? The Ten Commandments! Next, in Matthew 5:21 Jesus says “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou Shalt Not Kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the Judgment”. Once again, we have translation problems! The Greek word translated ‘Kill’ here is “Phoneuo”, which means: To be a Murderer, to Murder - 'Phoneuo' a form of 'Phoneus' which means: A Murderer; Always a Criminal or at least Intentional Homicide. The Greek word translated ‘Judgment’ here is “Krisis”, which means: (When referring to the Divine Law) Damnation, Condemnation; Justice – Tribunal. Thus, Matthew 5:21 actually reads “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou Shalt Not Murder; and whosoever shall Murder shall be in danger of Eternal Damnation”. In other words, no Murderer can have eternal life abiding in him; and even Jesus Christ can not change this fact! He states so himself. Why is Murder so serious a crime? You not only Murder that person, but any Children the person might have had, thus destroying a whole lineage; not just that person.

Lastly look to 1John 3:15 “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no Murderer hath eternal life abiding in him”. This word ‘Hateth’ actually means: To Persecute to the Death. Thus, 1John 3:15 actually reads “Whosoever Persecutes another to their death (as Stephen was) is a murderer: and ye know that no Murderer hath eternal life abiding in him”.

So, Murder, not Killing, is forbidden by Scripture! And those who do commit Criminal Homicide (verified by at least 2 witnesses) are to be Executed, and sent to GOD. And NO MURDERER can have Eternal Life abiding in him while in the FLESH!!! The Murderer’s salvation is up to GOD the Father alone, at the final Judgment!!

[Jokersvirus]

Please do understand I am not putting my religion on you . Just hoping you may better understand this .
Definition of murder
# kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"
# mangle: alter so as to make unrecognizable; "The tourists murdered the French language"
# unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

that in bold is the defintion of murder yes?

That is also homicide.

I do understand what murder is and what not, my major was law enforcement.


So when a human kills another human it is homicide which translate can translate into murder.
the premeditated part defines murder, but the killing of a human being by another human being is definition homicide.

[Linx_is_me]

that in bold is the defintion of murder yes?

That is also homicide.

the premeditated part defines murder, but the killing of a human being by another human being is definition homicide.

From the laws point of view , This is murder .. it says unlawful Murder . Religious view is not human law but gods law . So I can agree by American law yes Unlawful human on human killing is Murder . Also it is homicide .So yes , But My opinion is shaped from a christian stand point . Which may be the safest spot to end this particular part of the discussion at least on the thread . If you wish to skype PM me feel free . I am open for that .
But Homocide is not necessarily murder . It is still killing yes . But no it is not Murder in all cases

[Jokersvirus]

Well in this world on this earth, religion's law "god's law" has no meaning. You can live by that code, you can honor the code, you can do many things, but on this planet Man's Law is law.

And it says what I state. You say killing is wrong yet self defense isnt. Your saying its ok for a man to die in one aspect but its totally wrong for them to die for being guilty of killing 100 people. Which in itself is self defense because the system is protecting everyone humanly possible from this crazy person.

[Jaykub]

Well in this world on this earth, religion's law "god's law" has no meaning. You can live by that code, you can honor the code, you can do many things, but on this planet Man's Law is law.

And it says what I state. You say killing is wrong yet self defense isnt. Your saying its ok for a man to die in one aspect but its totally wrong for them to die for being guilty of killing 100 people. Which in itself is self defense because the system is protecting everyone humanly possible from this crazy person.

The world has no laws. Its only what one man decided to say it is.